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Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2023, 04:41:09 PM »

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If we don't start playing Defense like last season, we are NOT winning anything this year....What happened to our players saying it all starts with our defense?
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Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2023, 05:02:43 PM »

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I'll be furious. This is the best team in the league. Anything less than a title is failure.
Agree. It would be a failure.
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2023, 05:03:20 PM »

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If we don't start playing Defense like last season, we are NOT winning anything this year....What happened to our players saying it all starts with our defense?
We are a top 4 defence in the league
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2023, 05:10:29 PM »

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Entitlement?  It’s probably fair to ask a team to not just go through the motions, right?  And blow a 28 point lead in less than two quarters?  Particularly when it’s basically impossible to get a Loge seat for under $100.

Yes, entitlement. A lot of teams have bad losses. Boston isn’t superior to other cities.

I think for most fans here it's more anxiety than entitlement. Most of us know that championship windows are rare, and nothing is guaranteed. We have a great opportunity with Tatum and Brown entering their primes, and came really close last year. It would be very disappointing to miss out on a championship with this group. We've seen windows suddenly close due to an injury or players not working out well together before. Most of us are anxious to make sure we give ourselves the best shot at it while we can with this core. It could be decades before another Tatum and Brown walk through that door again after this.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2023, 06:10:11 PM »

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Entitlement?  It’s probably fair to ask a team to not just go through the motions, right?  And blow a 28 point lead in less than two quarters?  Particularly when it’s basically impossible to get a Loge seat for under $100.

Yes, entitlement. A lot of teams have bad losses. Boston isn’t superior to other cities.

I think for most fans here it's more anxiety than entitlement. Most of us know that championship windows are rare, and nothing is guaranteed. We have a great opportunity with Tatum and Brown entering their primes, and came really close last year. It would be very disappointing to miss out on a championship with this group. We've seen windows suddenly close due to an injury or players not working out well together before. Most of us are anxious to make sure we give ourselves the best shot at it while we can with this core. It could be decades before another Tatum and Brown walk through that door again after this.
this -- about as well stated as it can get.  TP

Isn’t anxiety emotional dysregulation, esp if people carry on? I know Covid has not been easy on those with anxiety issues, so it’s tough to have high expectations for fans. It just seems wild that people are so willing to poop on the team, yet still have super high expectations. Some type of cognitive dissonance.

Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2023, 10:44:19 PM »

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Entitlement?  It’s probably fair to ask a team to not just go through the motions, right?  And blow a 28 point lead in less than two quarters?  Particularly when it’s basically impossible to get a Loge seat for under $100.

Yes, entitlement. A lot of teams have bad losses. Boston isn’t superior to other cities.

I think for most fans here it's more anxiety than entitlement. Most of us know that championship windows are rare, and nothing is guaranteed. We have a great opportunity with Tatum and Brown entering their primes, and came really close last year. It would be very disappointing to miss out on a championship with this group. We've seen windows suddenly close due to an injury or players not working out well together before. Most of us are anxious to make sure we give ourselves the best shot at it while we can with this core. It could be decades before another Tatum and Brown walk through that door again after this.
this -- about as well stated as it can get.  TP

Isn’t anxiety emotional dysregulation, esp if people carry on? I know Covid has not been easy on those with anxiety issues, so it’s tough to have high expectations for fans. It just seems wild that people are so willing to poop on the team, yet still have super high expectations. Some type of cognitive dissonance.
What? It makes perfect sense - failure to live up to high expectations leads to anger and frustration from fans
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2023, 12:02:24 AM »

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I don't know why the OP didn't just name this thread “Lots of Celtics Fans are Entitled” instead of beating around the bush.
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Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2023, 01:51:32 AM »

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Expectations are high, but the team's early performance this season, as well as their run to the Finals last season, is what brought them up. I think it would be fair to say we would all be very disappointed if they didn't go all the way, especially given that at our best it looks like we can beat anyone. The problem is that when we're not playing teams that are deemed "worthy opponents" the team doesn't come out with the right mental approach. I did a spreadsheet of our wins and losses, and categorized each team as a playoff or lottery team based on their current standing, and looked at their record:

Vs lottery teams: 30 games, 23 wins, 7 losses
Losses: Orlando (3), Chicago (2), Pacers (1), Thunder (1)
Wins: Detroit (4), Charlotte (4), Toronto (2), Washington (2), Chicago (2), Lakers (2), Atlanta (1), Houston (1), SA (1), Thunder (1), Pacers (1), Orlando (1), Kings (1)

Vs playoff teams: 34 games, 22 wins, 12 losses
Losses: Cleveland (2), NY (2), Miami (2), Brooklyn (1), Denver (1), Golden State (1), Clippers (1), Bucks (1), Suns (1)
Wins: Philly (3), Brooklyn (3), Dallas (2), NOP (2), Miami (2), Memphis (2), Phoenix (1), NY (1), Golden State (1), Denver (1), Clippers (1), Bucks (1), Cleveland (1), Minnesota (1)

If you look at the record, we've shown we can beat pretty much any team if we are clicking on all cylinders. The problem is with the losses where they are largely self inflicted, where the team just didn't display the same level of desperation or mental fortitude as the opponent. Like the early Chicago losses, or the three Orlando losses, getting 150 points put on them by the Thunder, or the latest Brooklyn loss to a team of journeymen. These are all mental fails.

Obviously it's a long season, they get bored and burned out and jaded, etc., and relative to every other team in the league they're still in a prime position. But because they're not playing as well as they did earlier in the season it's understandable for fans to be slitting wrists, because they set those expectations for themselves with their performance earlier in the season.

Last year it was the opposite - it was a fun run because we all slit our wrists in October, November and December, by new year we were one game above .500 and so nobody expected anything of the team, and so all that could happen is for us to be pleasantly surprised. It also probably created a sense of urgency in the team because at one point we weren't even in the playoff picture and they had to treat every game like it mattered, which it did. This year I think they take games off here and there, whether it's boredom or preserving themselves for the playoffs or whatever it is. If you look at Golden State they're in a similar situation particularly with the younger players who haven't met the expectations they set for themselves at the start of the season.

I do think the angst is excessive though. I'm not prepared to throw in the towel just yet. I think this team is still in a great position to contend come playoff time. I think the problems they have are mental, and not structural, and I'd rather they go through their lull now than in April. Of course I could be wrong but I think they are just waiting to get to the playoffs, whether they get the No1 or No2 or even No3 seed matters less to them than it matters to us. We beat Milwaukee in a Game 7 because we had HCA over them, but we also beat Miami when they had HCA over us. End of day I think we have a team that can win home or away in the playoffs. What will be interesting to observe is whether they can show the mental fortitude to put their best foot forward come playoff time. Going to be fun to watch  :police:
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Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2023, 11:14:58 AM »

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I don't know why the OP didn't just name this thread “Lots of Celtics Fans are Entitled” instead of beating around the bush.

I would have, but I didn’t want people to freak out more. It seems like many here haven’t faced adversity before, because they freak out when their top 5 team (with a rookie coach) has a bad loss.

This team is good, not great. I think people bought into Nate Silver’s projection that they had approximately a 75% to win the Finals last year. That was obviously BS.

Also, Roy stated that this is a superior city (I’m guessing basketball wise). The Celtics have one championship over the last 37 years. How many other teams can say this?
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Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2023, 11:27:59 AM »

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I don't know why the OP didn't just name this thread “Lots of Celtics Fans are Entitled” instead of beating around the bush.

I would have, but I didn’t want people to freak out more. It seems like many here haven’t faced adversity before, because they freak out when their top 5 team (with a rookie coach) has a bad loss.

This team is good, not great. I think people bought into Nate Silver’s projection that they had approximately a 75% to win the Finals last year. That was obviously BS.

Also, Roy stated that this is a superior city (I’m guessing basketball wise). The Celtics have one championship over the last 35 years. How many other teams can say this?

This take seems like an overreaction imo. People should be salty about a bad loss. It’s not one of those “shrug your shoulders” things. I think it’s completely fair to call out mental focus, and playing down to their competition, and things like that. Because that’s what we saw. And it’s an aberration from the norm.

This is a great team. And to paraphrase uncle Ben, with a great team comes great expectations.

Do the people who “pooped on” the C’s performance vs the Nets still expect the team to beat the Knicks the next game? My money is on yes. Because they know the C’s are just that good.
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Re: If the Celtics don’t win a ring this year….
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2023, 11:30:51 AM »

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I don't know why the OP didn't just name this thread “Lots of Celtics Fans are Entitled” instead of beating around the bush.

I would have, but I didn’t want people to freak out more. It seems like many here haven’t faced adversity before, because they freak out when their top 5 team (with a rookie coach) has a bad loss.

This team is good, not great. I think people bought into Nate Silver’s projection that they had approximately a 75% to win the Finals last year. That was obviously BS.

Also, Roy stated that this is a superior city (I’m guessing basketball wise). The Celtics have one championship over the last 35 years. How many other teams can say this?

This take seems like an overreaction imo. People should be salty about a bad loss. It’s not one of those “shrug your shoulders” things. I think it’s completely fair to call out mental focus, and playing down to their competition, and things like that. Because that’s what we saw. And it’s an aberration from the norm.

This is a great team. And to paraphrase uncle Ben, with a great team comes great expectations.

Do the people who “pooped on” the C’s performance vs the Nets still expect the team to beat the Knicks the next game? My money is on yes. Because they know the C’s are just that good.

I’m guessing fans feel entitled to a win against a team playing well. Not sure why this is a shoe-in win.