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Re: I'm liking Brogdon more and more...
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2022, 11:19:38 AM »

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Guess the team playing poorly for three months and falling apart games multiple times including finals gets forgotten about.

I'm not sold on last year's starting lineup.

Jaylen and Rob’s injuries prevented the lineup from sharing the floor together until January; from then on, they dominated the NBA. The best lineup, not only on the team, but in the NBA.

They continued to be positive throughout the playoffs while the other 2 most used lineups (subbing in Grant or Derrick for Rob) were negative. They can switch everything on defense, protect the rim, rebound, shoot, and play against big and small lineups. The positives far outweigh the negatives.

But you’re (irrationally) not sold on the starting lineup; that’s a Skip Baylessish take. Good luck with that though.

Re: I'm liking Brogdon more and more...
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2022, 11:34:35 AM »

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Guess the team playing poorly for three months and falling apart games multiple times including finals gets forgotten about.

I'm not sold on last year's starting lineup.
For the regular season at least, I don't think this holds up. The starting line-up only played 34 games together.

For the first 3 mo. (47 games) the "starting line-up" only played together for 12 games and went 7-5 (48 win pace), they never started more than 4 games in a row and were never under .500 when playing 2 or more games.
I would submit that the reason the Celtics "played poorly" is because this line-up wasn't on the floor.

In the second half of the season, starting with game 48, they went 19-3 (71 win pace). They began 10-1 when they started the first 11 games of this stretch together.

Overall they finished 26-8 (63 win pace).

Brogdon replacing Schroeder as 6th man for the first half of the season should be a huge upgrade. I'm still worried about the 3rd center, Theis replacing Freedom around game 59, coincides with the better play in the second half.


Re: I'm liking Brogdon more and more...
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2022, 11:47:25 AM »

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Guess the team playing poorly for three months and falling apart games multiple times including finals gets forgotten about.

I'm not sold on last year's starting lineup.

Jaylen and Rob’s injuries prevented the lineup from sharing the floor together until January; from then on, they dominated the NBA. The best lineup, not only on the team, but in the NBA.

They continued to be positive throughout the playoffs while the other 2 most used lineups (subbing in Grant or Derrick for Rob) were negative. They can switch everything on defense, protect the rim, rebound, shoot, and play against big and small lineups. The positives far outweigh the negatives.

But you’re (irrationally) not sold on the starting lineup; that’s a Skip Baylessish take. Good luck with that though.
Irrational? They literally sucked and got booed not because of injuries but how they played and carried themselves, it wasn't injuries. In the finals they played the same boneheaded way which is the huge reason the possibility of poor play again is there. It's the last thing we saw. I wish I could wear green shades and forget all the negatives but I am not built that way. 

Al is older. Gallo is out. Brogdon is forced into a new role. The east is stronger. The C's will be the hunted and get most team's best efforts. What we saw in Jan. is likely unrepeatable.

Re: I'm liking Brogdon more and more...
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2022, 11:51:57 AM »

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Plus a new coach. The first half of the season was learning a new offense. Hard to do when the starters are not on the floor together.

And the finals is where Brogdon would have made the most difference, and Gallinari. The starters held up fine as a unit even with RWill hurt. GSW bench was more reliable than ours.

Re: I'm liking Brogdon more and more...
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2022, 01:11:09 PM »

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Plus a new coach. The first half of the season was learning a new offense. Hard to do when the starters are not on the floor together.

And the finals is where Brogdon would have made the most difference, and Gallinari. The starters held up fine as a unit even with RWill hurt. GSW bench was more reliable than ours.
Sure but...
I think their best player outplayed our best player by enough that it didn't matter.

Re: I'm liking Brogdon more and more...
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2022, 12:06:23 PM »

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Guess the team playing poorly for three months and falling apart games multiple times including finals gets forgotten about.

I'm not sold on last year's starting lineup.

Jaylen and Rob’s injuries prevented the lineup from sharing the floor together until January; from then on, they dominated the NBA. The best lineup, not only on the team, but in the NBA.

They continued to be positive throughout the playoffs while the other 2 most used lineups (subbing in Grant or Derrick for Rob) were negative. They can switch everything on defense, protect the rim, rebound, shoot, and play against big and small lineups. The positives far outweigh the negatives.

But you’re (irrationally) not sold on the starting lineup; that’s a Skip Baylessish take. Good luck with that though.
Irrational? They literally sucked and got booed not because of injuries but how they played and carried themselves, it wasn't injuries. In the finals they played the same boneheaded way which is the huge reason the possibility of poor play again is there. It's the last thing we saw. I wish I could wear green shades and forget all the negatives but I am not built that way. 

Al is older. Gallo is out. Brogdon is forced into a new role. The east is stronger. The C's will be the hunted and get most team's best efforts. What we saw in Jan. is likely unrepeatable.

I dont get why you think a starting lineup that played 12 games together in those 3 months was the problem lol. you gave more weight to that stretch esp with a new coach and uneven rotation than the bigger sample size. Even in the finals that lineup outscored gs. The main problem was of course williams wasnt 100% and couldnt play big minutes.