Take It From Here: What Moves Would You Make?

[celticsclay]

Please explain how the TPE works and how the Celtics could have used theirs before it expired.

Did we lose it because of cheap ownership - if so, that is a very bad sign.

Also, I hate missing out on Harrell - seems to me the guy could have helped us a lot more than any of the three G-leaguers who will be vying roster spots in training camp. Harrel is an aggressive post guy who will mix it up inside and we need that - we are still too soft.

Harrell is a 6’6 center that literally had no positive impact his last three teams. Lakers, wizards and hornets couldn’t wait to get rid of him all within 12 months. He also has been a poor
Chemistry guy going for his stats which I don’t think is going away in a contract year. He is also a poor defender. People gotta stop thinking this was some big miss. Cousins, Howard or whiteside would all be much better signings based on our roster. Given 76ers roster and size o believe this was actually a poor signing cause they already had Paul Reed on their roster

[Roy H.]

Please explain how the TPE works and how the Celtics could have used theirs before it expired.

Did we lose it because of cheap ownership - if so, that is a very bad sign.

Also, I hate missing out on Harrell - seems to me the guy could have helped us a lot more than any of the three G-leaguers who will be vying roster spots in training camp. Harrel is an aggressive post guy who will mix it up inside and we need that - we are still too soft.

Harrell is a 6’6 center that literally had no positive impact his last three teams. Lakers, wizards and hornets couldn’t wait to get rid of him all within 12 months. He also has been a poor
Chemistry guy going for his stats which I don’t think is going away in a contract year. He is also a poor defender. People gotta stop thinking this was some big miss. Cousins, Howard or whiteside would all be much better signings based on our roster. Given 76ers roster and size o believe this was actually a poor signing cause they already had Paul Reed on their roster

I wouldn't call it a poor signing, because when Harrell is "on" he's a very good scorer and is an energy guy that can instantly lift a team.  For the minimum, that's excellent.  I get your point about them needing true size, but for a minimum investment, there's no major downside, with a lot of upside.

That said, you're absolutely right about Harrell's deficiencies.  If he's not getting as many minutes as he thinks he deserves, he pouts and is disruptive.  He's got an outsized voice.  The "energy" play stops, and what you end up with is a score-only guy, like Lamarcus Aldridge without the jump shot.

[flybono]

Your right! as constituted this Team isn’t a lock to reach another NBA Finals

Brogdon will help, but still a few Players short

Make a deal, I still say GWilliams could be a chip ?

You need a legit scorer and a 5

[celticsclay]

Please explain how the TPE works and how the Celtics could have used theirs before it expired.

Did we lose it because of cheap ownership - if so, that is a very bad sign.

Also, I hate missing out on Harrell - seems to me the guy could have helped us a lot more than any of the three G-leaguers who will be vying roster spots in training camp. Harrel is an aggressive post guy who will mix it up inside and we need that - we are still too soft.

Harrell is a 6’6 center that literally had no positive impact his last three teams. Lakers, wizards and hornets couldn’t wait to get rid of him all within 12 months. He also has been a poor
Chemistry guy going for his stats which I don’t think is going away in a contract year. He is also a poor defender. People gotta stop thinking this was some big miss. Cousins, Howard or whiteside would all be much better signings based on our roster. Given 76ers roster and size o believe this was actually a poor signing cause they already had Paul Reed on their roster

I wouldn't call it a poor signing, because when Harrell is "on" he's a very good scorer and is an energy guy that can instantly lift a team.  For the minimum, that's excellent.  I get your point about them needing true size, but for a minimum investment, there's no major downside, with a lot of upside.

That said, you're absolutely right about Harrell's deficiencies.  If he's not getting as many minutes as he thinks he deserves, he pouts and is disruptive.  He's got an outsized voice.  The "energy" play stops, and what you end up with is a score-only guy, like Lamarcus Aldridge without the jump shot.

Without taking in to context the Philly roster it is a fine value for the minimum. However given Embid is almost certain going to miss 10-20 games this year for rest/injuries I think that is not what they needed for those games. For years Philly had awful backups behind Embid like Greg Monroe and really struggled when Embid sat. They seemed to have fixed this the last few years with serviceable to good play from Drummond and Howard. I’m pretty happy they might be starting Harrell in games instead of one of those two.

[Who]

Please explain how the TPE works and how the Celtics could have used theirs before it expired.

Did we lose it because of cheap ownership - if so, that is a very bad sign.

Also, I hate missing out on Harrell - seems to me the guy could have helped us a lot more than any of the three G-leaguers who will be vying roster spots in training camp. Harrel is an aggressive post guy who will mix it up inside and we need that - we are still too soft.

Harrell is a 6’6 center that literally had no positive impact his last three teams. Lakers, wizards and hornets couldn’t wait to get rid of him all within 12 months. He also has been a poor
Chemistry guy going for his stats which I don’t think is going away in a contract year. He is also a poor defender. People gotta stop thinking this was some big miss. Cousins, Howard or whiteside would all be much better signings based on our roster. Given 76ers roster and size o believe this was actually a poor signing cause they already had Paul Reed on their roster

I wouldn't call it a poor signing, because when Harrell is "on" he's a very good scorer and is an energy guy that can instantly lift a team.  For the minimum, that's excellent.  I get your point about them needing true size, but for a minimum investment, there's no major downside, with a lot of upside.

That said, you're absolutely right about Harrell's deficiencies.  If he's not getting as many minutes as he thinks he deserves, he pouts and is disruptive.  He's got an outsized voice.  The "energy" play stops, and what you end up with is a score-only guy, like Lamarcus Aldridge without the jump shot.

Without taking in to context the Philly roster it is a fine value for the minimum. However given Embid is almost certain going to miss 10-20 games this year for rest/injuries I think that is not what they needed for those games. For years Philly had awful backups behind Embid like Greg Monroe and really struggled when Embid sat. They seemed to have fixed this the last few years with serviceable to good play from Drummond and Howard. I’m pretty happy they might be starting Harrell in games instead of one of those two.

No Ben Simmons either to help anchor that D and provide rebounding in Embiid's absence. Harrell will be even more exposed than past Embiid backups / injury replacements.

[tenn_smoothie]

OK, bad idea. I just keep remembering the guy before he went to the Lakers - seemed like a wrecking ball inside.
Also, I was not aware of his attitude problems. No thanks.

So ....................... back to my question. How does the TPE work ?

[Goldstar88]

OK, bad idea. I just keep remembering the guy before he went to the Lakers - seemed like a wrecking ball inside.
Also, I was not aware of his attitude problems. No thanks.

So ....................... back to my question. How does the TPE work ?

Per the NBA, trade exceptions are created when a team sends out salary in a trade without taking any back. The exception can then be used to trade for a player, or multiple players, with salaries up to the amount of the exception without adding to the team's cap and luxury-tax liabilities

[Roy H.]

OK, bad idea. I just keep remembering the guy before he went to the Lakers - seemed like a wrecking ball inside.
Also, I was not aware of his attitude problems. No thanks.

So ....................... back to my question. How does the TPE work ?

Per the NBA, trade exceptions are created when a team sends out salary in a trade without taking any back. The exception can then be used to trade for a player, or multiple players, with salaries up to the amount of the exception without adding to the team's cap and luxury-tax liabilities

To clarify:  players acquired with TPEs absolutely count against the cap and luxury tax.

They’re “exceptions”, so they allow a team to exceed the cap, but players acquired with any exception are counted against team salary and are taxed accordingly.

[Moranis]

I'd make some drastic changes to the bench

White for Clarkson, Vanderbilt

2023 2nd (their choice) for Torrey Craig (into Richardson TPE)

Sign - Carmelo, Dwight

Release - Kornet, Vonleh, Thomas, Ryan, Caboclo

New Team

PG - Smart, Clarkson, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Brogdon
SF - Tatum, Craig, Hauser
PF - Horford, G. Williams, Anthony, Gallinari
C - R. Williams, Howard, Vanderbilt
TW - Davison, Kabengele

[gouki88]

I'd make some drastic changes to the bench

White for Clarkson, Vanderbilt

2023 2nd (their choice) for Torrey Craig (into Richardson TPE)

Sign - Carmelo, Dwight

Release - Kornet, Vonleh, Thomas, Ryan, Caboclo

New Team

PG - Smart, Clarkson, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Brogdon
SF - Tatum, Craig, Hauser
PF - Horford, G. Williams, Anthony, Gallinari
C - R. Williams, Howard, Vanderbilt
TW - Davison, Kabengele

Would Ainge do that without picks?

[td450]

The team will need to fill in the back of the bench, but using significant assets to do anything for this team that doesn't involve a longer term solution for a big that fits the team's defensive schemes would be foolish. That will probably require some patience. That is the only important roster problem the C's have.

[Moranis]

I'd make some drastic changes to the bench

White for Clarkson, Vanderbilt

2023 2nd (their choice) for Torrey Craig (into Richardson TPE)

Sign - Carmelo, Dwight

Release - Kornet, Vonleh, Thomas, Ryan, Caboclo

New Team

PG - Smart, Clarkson, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Brogdon
SF - Tatum, Craig, Hauser
PF - Horford, G. Williams, Anthony, Gallinari
C - R. Williams, Howard, Vanderbilt
TW - Davison, Kabengele

Would Ainge do that without picks?

I don't know.  Depends what he thinks of Vanderbilt.  That gets them out of Clarkson who has no future there (and the extra year) and gets them a solid youngish player signed reasonably, who can provide some stability but that won't wreck the tank.  The value seemed about right, though yeah, Ainge may want a pick, which if it is a 2nd or two, I'd probably do.  I don't like Vanderbilt enough to do a 1st with White though. 

[tenn_smoothie]

OK, bad idea. I just keep remembering the guy before he went to the Lakers - seemed like a wrecking ball inside.
Also, I was not aware of his attitude problems. No thanks.

So ....................... back to my question. How does the TPE work ?

Per the NBA, trade exceptions are created when a team sends out salary in a trade without taking any back. The exception can then be used to trade for a player, or multiple players, with salaries up to the amount of the exception without adding to the team's cap and luxury-tax liabilities

I thought the salaries had to always be close to balancing out both ways in a trade ??

The CBA is ridiculously confusing.