Brad Stevens. Minor tweaks, Good Results

[timpiker]

White makes the players around him better.  I am confident White will get better with time.

[Sophomore]

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn’t sold on the White trade?
I get he’s a good defensive player and has some feeling for the game, but he can’t shot.

I’m not sure I wouldn’t be happier with Richardson. He was an above average defender, who could also score the ball.
Also they gave up Romeo, who also was an above average defender.

We would not be as good as we are with Richardson instead of White. That alone is justification.

Richardson is also not a scorer, no idea where you've got that notion from. Richardson scored less per minute and per possession as a Celtic than White.

Without question, I would rather have Richardson, Langford, the 22 1st, and the 28 swap. People lump Schroder and Richardson in with each other when that really isn't fair. We still could have traded Schroder for Theis and had Richardson/Pritchard backing up Smart/Brown. That trade also depleted our team of all of our wing depth.

I don't hate White, but I am always dumbfounded when people add that feather in the hat for Stevens. It was an even trade at best and a bad trade at worst. Stevens has been a little loosey-goosey with trading 1sts, but I certainly won't complain if we win it all.

And, just a note. We had already turned it around by the trade deadline. It wasn't White's amazing impact that led to what we see now. I will say that acquiring Theis has proved to be very fruitful thus far and I am happy to have him here.

There’s still some uncertainty about the value of what we sent out, but there’s a pretty good argument it was JRich and some lottery tickets that aren't likely to cash out.

The pick next year is now set: it’s 25th. While we’ve had good results lately picking in the 20s  the expected value of that pick is not very high.

Romeo is racking up DNPs in San Antonio. I liked him, I rooted for him, but he hasn’t established himself yet as a rotation player.

That 28 swap is a wildcard. If the team continues to win and have a better record than SA in 2028 it will cost us nothing.

 

[footey]

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn’t sold on the White trade?
I get he’s a good defensive player and has some feeling for the game, but he can’t shot.

I’m not sure I wouldn’t be happier with Richardson. He was an above average defender, who could also score the ball.
Also they gave up Romeo, who also was an above average defender.

We would not be as good as we are with Richardson instead of White. That alone is justification.

Richardson is also not a scorer, no idea where you've got that notion from. Richardson scored less per minute and per possession as a Celtic than White.

Without question, I would rather have Richardson, Langford, the 22 1st, and the 28 swap. People lump Schroder and Richardson in with each other when that really isn't fair. We still could have traded Schroder for Theis and had Richardson/Pritchard backing up Smart/Brown. That trade also depleted our team of all of our wing depth.

I don't hate White, but I am always dumbfounded when people add that feather in the hat for Stevens. It was an even trade at best and a bad trade at worst. Stevens has been a little loosey-goosey with trading 1sts, but I certainly won't complain if we win it all.

And, just a note. We had already turned it around by the trade deadline. It wasn't White's amazing impact that led to what we see now. I will say that acquiring Theis has proved to be very fruitful thus far and I am happy to have him here.

There’s still some uncertainty about the value of what we sent out, but there’s a pretty good chance it was basically JRich and lottery tickets that probably won’t cash out.

The pick next year is now set: it’s 25th. While we’ve had good results lately picking in the 20s  the expected value of that pick is not very high.

Romeo is racking up DNPs in San Antonio. I liked him, I rooted for him, but he hasn’t established himself yet as a rotation player.

That 28 swap is a wildcard. If the team continues to win and have a better record than SA in 2028 it will cost us nothing.

You’re ignoring Josh Richardson. Plus Langford was hurt which is why he didn’t play. Frankly wish we had included Nesmith rather than Langford. But too early to judge trade. May not know until the pick swap. Hoping it won’t swap and we will be celebrating our 3rd straight championship!!

[gouki88]

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn’t sold on the White trade?
I get he’s a good defensive player and has some feeling for the game, but he can’t shot.

I’m not sure I wouldn’t be happier with Richardson. He was an above average defender, who could also score the ball.
Also they gave up Romeo, who also was an above average defender.

We would not be as good as we are with Richardson instead of White. That alone is justification.

Richardson is also not a scorer, no idea where you've got that notion from. Richardson scored less per minute and per possession as a Celtic than White.

Without question, I would rather have Richardson, Langford, the 22 1st, and the 28 swap. People lump Schroder and Richardson in with each other when that really isn't fair. We still could have traded Schroder for Theis and had Richardson/Pritchard backing up Smart/Brown. That trade also depleted our team of all of our wing depth.

I don't hate White, but I am always dumbfounded when people add that feather in the hat for Stevens. It was an even trade at best and a bad trade at worst. Stevens has been a little loosey-goosey with trading 1sts, but I certainly won't complain if we win it all.

And, just a note. We had already turned it around by the trade deadline. It wasn't White's amazing impact that led to what we see now. I will say that acquiring Theis has proved to be very fruitful thus far and I am happy to have him here.

There’s still some uncertainty about the value of what we sent out, but there’s a pretty good chance it was basically JRich and lottery tickets that probably won’t cash out.

The pick next year is now set: it’s 25th. While we’ve had good results lately picking in the 20s  the expected value of that pick is not very high.

Romeo is racking up DNPs in San Antonio. I liked him, I rooted for him, but he hasn’t established himself yet as a rotation player.

That 28 swap is a wildcard. If the team continues to win and have a better record than SA in 2028 it will cost us nothing.

You’re ignoring Josh Richardson. Plus Langford was hurt which is why he didn’t play. Frankly wish we had included Nesmith rather than Langford. But too early to judge trade. May not know until the pick swap. Hoping it won’t swap and we will be celebrating our 3rd straight championship!!

Yeah, Romeo is always hurt. That's the point. Always hurt, but not very good when he plays anyway.

[Sophomore]

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn’t sold on the White trade?
I get he’s a good defensive player and has some feeling for the game, but he can’t shot.

I’m not sure I wouldn’t be happier with Richardson. He was an above average defender, who could also score the ball.
Also they gave up Romeo, who also was an above average defender.

We would not be as good as we are with Richardson instead of White. That alone is justification.

Richardson is also not a scorer, no idea where you've got that notion from. Richardson scored less per minute and per possession as a Celtic than White.

Without question, I would rather have Richardson, Langford, the 22 1st, and the 28 swap. People lump Schroder and Richardson in with each other when that really isn't fair. We still could have traded Schroder for Theis and had Richardson/Pritchard backing up Smart/Brown. That trade also depleted our team of all of our wing depth.

I don't hate White, but I am always dumbfounded when people add that feather in the hat for Stevens. It was an even trade at best and a bad trade at worst. Stevens has been a little loosey-goosey with trading 1sts, but I certainly won't complain if we win it all.

And, just a note. We had already turned it around by the trade deadline. It wasn't White's amazing impact that led to what we see now. I will say that acquiring Theis has proved to be very fruitful thus far and I am happy to have him here.

There’s still some uncertainty about the value of what we sent out, but there’s a pretty good chance it was basically JRich and lottery tickets that probably won’t cash out.

The pick next year is now set: it’s 25th. While we’ve had good results lately picking in the 20s  the expected value of that pick is not very high.

Romeo is racking up DNPs in San Antonio. I liked him, I rooted for him, but he hasn’t established himself yet as a rotation player.

That 28 swap is a wildcard. If the team continues to win and have a better record than SA in 2028 it will cost us nothing.

You’re ignoring Josh Richardson. Plus Langford was hurt which is why he didn’t play. Frankly wish we had included Nesmith rather than Langford. But too early to judge trade. May not know until the pick swap. Hoping it won’t swap and we will be celebrating our 3rd straight championship!!

I said it was “JRich and lottery tickets that probably won’t cash out…” I’m saying that if we are looking at the rest of the outgoing value there’s a pretty good chance it wasn’t much.

Now maybe you think JRich was better than D White, and you’d just rather have him. But it’s not like we added a lot of valuable stuff to the deal on top of JR.

I’ve been rooting for Romeo, but the odds against his becoming a good rotation player are getting longer and longer.

[KG Living Legend]

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn’t sold on the White trade?
I get he’s a good defensive player and has some feeling for the game, but he can’t shot.

I’m not sure I wouldn’t be happier with Richardson. He was an above average defender, who could also score the ball.
Also they gave up Romeo, who also was an above average defender.

We would not be as good as we are with Richardson instead of White. That alone is justification.

Richardson is also not a scorer, no idea where you've got that notion from. Richardson scored less per minute and per possession as a Celtic than White.

Without question, I would rather have Richardson, Langford, the 22 1st, and the 28 swap. People lump Schroder and Richardson in with each other when that really isn't fair. We still could have traded Schroder for Theis and had Richardson/Pritchard backing up Smart/Brown. That trade also depleted our team of all of our wing depth.

I don't hate White, but I am always dumbfounded when people add that feather in the hat for Stevens. It was an even trade at best and a bad trade at worst. Stevens has been a little loosey-goosey with trading 1sts, but I certainly won't complain if we win it all.

And, just a note. We had already turned it around by the trade deadline. It wasn't White's amazing impact that led to what we see now. I will say that acquiring Theis has proved to be very fruitful thus far and I am happy to have him here.

 And Ainge was much to tight with these mid first round picks.  I do agree that we gave up to much,  but we are a better team with white than with Richardson.  Romeo is nothing in the equation.

 And we can win the title this year, and a seemingly small move like adding Theis and white can be the difference between a title and a second round exit.

[Big333223]

Brad has really done a great job. But let's not forget that 4/5's of the starters were drafted by Ainge and the first guy off the bench (I'm thinking about Grant Williams) was as well.

[droopdog7]

That Theis trade was one very underrated move.

Underrated not quite the right description.  People HATED the move.  Turns out BS was right and others don’t know what they’re talking about.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn’t sold on the White trade?
I get he’s a good defensive player and has some feeling for the game, but he can’t shot.

I’m not sure I wouldn’t be happier with Richardson. He was an above average defender, who could also score the ball.
Also they gave up Romeo, who also was an above average defender.

We would not be as good as we are with Richardson instead of White. That alone is justification.

Richardson is also not a scorer, no idea where you've got that notion from. Richardson scored less per minute and per possession as a Celtic than White.

Without question, I would rather have Richardson, Langford, the 22 1st, and the 28 swap. People lump Schroder and Richardson in with each other when that really isn't fair. We still could have traded Schroder for Theis and had Richardson/Pritchard backing up Smart/Brown. That trade also depleted our team of all of our wing depth.

I don't hate White, but I am always dumbfounded when people add that feather in the hat for Stevens. It was an even trade at best and a bad trade at worst. Stevens has been a little loosey-goosey with trading 1sts, but I certainly won't complain if we win it all.

And, just a note. We had already turned it around by the trade deadline. It wasn't White's amazing impact that led to what we see now. I will say that acquiring Theis has proved to be very fruitful thus far and I am happy to have him here.

 And Ainfe was much to tight with these mid first round picks.  I do agree that we gave up to much,  but we are a better team with white than with Richardson.  Romeo is nothing in the equation.

 And we can win thr title this year, and a seemingly small move like adding Theis and Ahite can be the difference between a title and a second round exit.

I think you need a new keyboard 😉

[slamtheking]

That Theis trade was one very underrated move.

Underrated not quite the right description.  People HATED the move. Turns out BS was right and others don’t know what they’re talking about.

I must have missed that thread/reaction.  The Theis deal for Schroder and non-factor players wasn't ill-received from what I recall.  the trade that was questioned was the White trade due to the cost

[Vermont Green]

That Theis trade was one very underrated move.

Underrated not quite the right description.  People HATED the move. Turns out BS was right and others don’t know what they’re talking about.

I must have missed that thread/reaction.  The Theis deal for Schroder and non-factor players wasn't ill-received from what I recall.  the trade that was questioned was the White trade due to the cost

The response that I got a lot was that Theis was not going to help this season, that he was acquired for next season.  The implication was that he wasn't good enough to be needed this year and that next year, Horford would be gone.  I am not sure that the reaction qualifies as someone hating the trade.

As to White, hard to say.  We clearly played well after we got him.  Individually or statistically, he has not been great, but the team is doing well with him.  So far in the playoffs, he has not outplayed Pritchard so yeah, you can argue that we didn't really need him.  White is more of a ball handling guard than a wing which Richardson was.  That ingredient seems to be helping the team.  White seems to complement Tatum and Brown, they play better, or at least I think that is the idea.

The final verdict on the White trade may be an overpay but I see the team as better with him vs. Richardson and Langford.  But White has likely not played his best basketball.  There is time for him add more.

[droopdog7]

That Theis trade was one very underrated move.

Underrated not quite the right description.  People HATED the move. Turns out BS was right and others don’t know what they’re talking about.

I must have missed that thread/reaction.  The Theis deal for Schroder and non-factor players wasn't ill-received from what I recall.  the trade that was questioned was the White trade due to the cost

The response that I got a lot was that Theis was not going to help this season, that he was acquired for next season.  The implication was that he wasn't good enough to be needed this year and that next year, Horford would be gone.  I am not sure that the reaction qualifies as someone hating the trade.

As to White, hard to say.  We clearly played well after we got him.  Individually or statistically, he has not been great, but the team is doing well with him.  So far in the playoffs, he has not outplayed Pritchard so yeah, you can argue that we didn't really need him.  White is more of a ball handling guard than a wing which Richardson was.  That ingredient seems to be helping the team.  White seems to complement Tatum and Brown, they play better, or at least I think that is the idea.

The final verdict on the White trade may be an overpay but I see the team as better with him vs. Richardson and Langford.  But White has likely not played his best basketball.  There is time for him add more.

I think this is mostly accurate but my response is based on not just this Board.  Talk radio, other message boards, etc.  And hated might be a bit strong but the general response (as I recall) fell into a few different buckets.  Some complained about not making more out of DS's (perceived value).  Others complained about the contract, which is laughable given that 9 mil is chump change.  Theis wasn't playing in Houston so some openly pondered how he would play in Bos.  Bottom line is very few people thought this move would be beneficial.

[slamtheking]

That Theis trade was one very underrated move.

Underrated not quite the right description.  People HATED the move. Turns out BS was right and others don’t know what they’re talking about.

I must have missed that thread/reaction.  The Theis deal for Schroder and non-factor players wasn't ill-received from what I recall.  the trade that was questioned was the White trade due to the cost

The response that I got a lot was that Theis was not going to help this season, that he was acquired for next season.  The implication was that he wasn't good enough to be needed this year and that next year, Horford would be gone.  I am not sure that the reaction qualifies as someone hating the trade.

As to White, hard to say.  We clearly played well after we got him.  Individually or statistically, he has not been great, but the team is doing well with him.  So far in the playoffs, he has not outplayed Pritchard so yeah, you can argue that we didn't really need him.  White is more of a ball handling guard than a wing which Richardson was.  That ingredient seems to be helping the team.  White seems to complement Tatum and Brown, they play better, or at least I think that is the idea.

The final verdict on the White trade may be an overpay but I see the team as better with him vs. Richardson and Langford.  But White has likely not played his best basketball.  There is time for him add more.

I think this is mostly accurate but my response is based on not just this Board.  Talk radio, other message boards, etc.  And hated might be a bit strong but the general response (as I recall) fell into a few different buckets.  Some complained about not making more out of DS's (perceived value).  Others complained about the contract, which is laughable given that 9 mil is chump change.  Theis wasn't playing in Houston so some openly pondered how he would play in Bos.  Bottom line is very few people thought this move would be beneficial.

I seem to recall the general vibe here was that it was a good get.  Theis played solidly for us and better yet wouldn't be the starter.  very solid bench big for us and more of a team guy than Schroder and could offer a higher level of play than the bigs that we sent out.