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Re: PTDS
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2022, 06:26:22 AM »

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

Was trying to point out the missed opportunity by op for an acronym-pun :(

I got that - and it’s because he’s given me PTSD that I want him sent packing.

Re: PTDS
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2022, 07:07:19 AM »

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

Was trying to point out the missed opportunity by op for an acronym-pun :(

 :'(  my pun was at the end....the slogan  :'(

PTDS, gives me PTSD

Re: PTDS
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2022, 07:41:09 AM »

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

Was trying to point out the missed opportunity by op for an acronym-pun :(

 :'(  my pun was at the end....the slogan  :'(

PTDS, gives me PTSD

One way or another, Schroder leads to PTSD!  8)

Re: PTDS
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2022, 09:50:05 AM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.
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Re: PTDS
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2022, 10:08:33 AM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.

So that renders your original point irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Thibs likes, if Leon Rose likes Shroeder then it could be game on.
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Re: PTDS
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2022, 10:49:28 AM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.

So that renders your original point irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Thibs likes, if Leon Rose likes Shroeder then it could be game on.
No.  Because Thibs was correct, his opinion will now have more merit.
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Re: PTDS
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2022, 10:52:40 AM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.

So that renders your original point irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Thibs likes, if Leon Rose likes Shroeder then it could be game on.
No.  Because Thibs was correct, his opinion will now have more merit.
You do not know that.

Maybe, but also, very much maybe not

Re: PTDS
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2022, 11:32:15 AM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.

So that renders your original point irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Thibs likes, if Leon Rose likes Shroeder then it could be game on.
No.  Because Thibs was correct, his opinion will now have more merit.
You do not know that.

Maybe, but also, very much maybe not
That is true. 

Schroder doesn't make sense for the Knicks though either way.  I don't see him making a difference in their guard rotation of Walker, Rose, Quickley not to mention Burks, Fournier, Grimes.  Now they may take him for a 2nd round pick or something, but I think a lot of teams would do that.  The premise though was a real asset like a 1st round pick, and I just don't see that.  The Knicks aren't contending and would have no control or rights to Schroder this summer.  Sure, they could re-sign him, but they could also just sign him in free agency without giving up a real asset to make their team slightly better.
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Re: PTDS
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2022, 11:42:43 AM »

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I would trade DS because there’s no way we can keep him beyond this year. If we can get a 1st for him? I’d be pretty pleased with that.
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Re: PTDS
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2022, 11:47:57 AM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.

So that renders your original point irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Thibs likes, if Leon Rose likes Shroeder then it could be game on.
No.  Because Thibs was correct, his opinion will now have more merit.
You do not know that.

Maybe, but also, very much maybe not
That is true. 

Schroder doesn't make sense for the Knicks though either way.  I don't see him making a difference in their guard rotation of Walker, Rose, Quickley not to mention Burks, Fournier, Grimes.  Now they may take him for a 2nd round pick or something, but I think a lot of teams would do that. The premise though was a real asset like a 1st round pick, and I just don't see that.  The Knicks aren't contending and would have no control or rights to Schroder this summer.  Sure, they could re-sign him, but they could also just sign him in free agency without giving up a real asset to make their team slightly better.

This is prolly true. But if any team might reach in an effort to get him in their program the Knicks make as much sense as most. And I don't see guys like Walker or Rose being much of a deterrent.

I also wonder: would the Warriors give up the (likely) last pick in the first round to add another piece, going "all in" this year? Something like Schroder and Freedom for Looney, Bjelica and GSW's 2022 1st?


Re: PTDS
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2022, 12:07:44 PM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Better than Kemba. Or Fournier.

Re: PTDS
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2022, 12:53:52 PM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.

So that renders your original point irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Thibs likes, if Leon Rose likes Shroeder then it could be game on.
No.  Because Thibs was correct, his opinion will now have more merit.
You do not know that.

Maybe, but also, very much maybe not
That is true. 

Schroder doesn't make sense for the Knicks though either way.  I don't see him making a difference in their guard rotation of Walker, Rose, Quickley not to mention Burks, Fournier, Grimes.  Now they may take him for a 2nd round pick or something, but I think a lot of teams would do that. The premise though was a real asset like a 1st round pick, and I just don't see that.  The Knicks aren't contending and would have no control or rights to Schroder this summer.  Sure, they could re-sign him, but they could also just sign him in free agency without giving up a real asset to make their team slightly better.

This is prolly true. But if any team might reach in an effort to get him in their program the Knicks make as much sense as most. And I don't see guys like Walker or Rose being much of a deterrent.

I also wonder: would the Warriors give up the (likely) last pick in the first round to add another piece, going "all in" this year? Something like Schroder and Freedom for Looney, Bjelica and GSW's 2022 1st?
Why would GS give up their starting center, a key rotation piece (that can actually shoot), and a 1st for a backup PG that can't shoot or defend all that well and the 3rd string center from a middling team?

There are teams that might give up a real asset for Schroder.  For example, I could see Denver making a move for him if they feel like Murray is going to be back this year.  Having Schroder serve as a fill in starter and then back-up when Murray returns, makes a fair amount of sense such that they might give up a 1st or someone like Bones Hyland.  Similarly, if the Clippers feel pretty good about Kawhi and PG13 coming back this year, they might be inclined to go all in on the season so acquiring Schroder for a real asset might make sense especially given their PG situation. 
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Re: PTDS
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2022, 01:17:12 PM »

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This Article points out something I’ve been stating: the Knicks make a very logical trade partner for Schroeder

Weak backcourt, Plenty of draft capital, cap space this summer to resign, Thibs impatience.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/01/04/boston-celtics-likely-trade-schroder/amp/2/
except he isn't a good defender and that is what Thibs likes.

Is Kemba Walker? Why’d he sign him?
He didn't.  In fact, Walker and Fournier were both signed over Thibs objections.  Thibs wanted to keep Bullock.  Leon Rose made the call on those signings and given that the team is a lot worse and terrible defensively, it appears Thibs was probably correct.

So that renders your original point irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Thibs likes, if Leon Rose likes Shroeder then it could be game on.
No.  Because Thibs was correct, his opinion will now have more merit.
You do not know that.

Maybe, but also, very much maybe not
That is true. 

Schroder doesn't make sense for the Knicks though either way.  I don't see him making a difference in their guard rotation of Walker, Rose, Quickley not to mention Burks, Fournier, Grimes.  Now they may take him for a 2nd round pick or something, but I think a lot of teams would do that. The premise though was a real asset like a 1st round pick, and I just don't see that.  The Knicks aren't contending and would have no control or rights to Schroder this summer.  Sure, they could re-sign him, but they could also just sign him in free agency without giving up a real asset to make their team slightly better.

This is prolly true. But if any team might reach in an effort to get him in their program the Knicks make as much sense as most. And I don't see guys like Walker or Rose being much of a deterrent.

I also wonder: would the Warriors give up the (likely) last pick in the first round to add another piece, going "all in" this year? Something like Schroder and Freedom for Looney, Bjelica and GSW's 2022 1st?
Why would GS give up their starting center, a key rotation piece (that can actually shoot), and a 1st for a backup PG that can't shoot or defend all that well and the 3rd string center from a middling team?

There are teams that might give up a real asset for Schroder.  For example, I could see Denver making a move for him if they feel like Murray is going to be back this year.  Having Schroder serve as a fill in starter and then back-up when Murray returns, makes a fair amount of sense such that they might give up a 1st or someone like Bones Hyland.  Similarly, if the Clippers feel pretty good about Kawhi and PG13 coming back this year, they might be inclined to go all in on the season so acquiring Schroder for a real asset might make sense especially given their PG situation.

You’re overvaluing Golden State’s players and undervaluing ours.

Re: PTDS
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2022, 02:24:20 PM »

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Please Trade Schroeder, Dennis

PTSD

This. No more ball stop disease.

If we're trading ball stoppers, then surely Jayson and Jaylen have to ho to, right?

The Js need to act faster, no doubt. But DS is the worst offender - holds the ball longer than any Celtic. Longer than Tatum or PP, much longer than JB or Smart. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=AVG_SEC_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612738&CF=MIN*G*9

And the thing is, DS is a huge ball-stopper with a slash line of 33/43 and true shooting % of 53 - well below league average. His assist-TO ratio is under 2.0 both this year and career, pretty bad for a guy who wants to be a starting PG. He’s a minus defender who is overpowered by a lot of PGs. 

True that he’s an amazing finisher at the rim, and those shots are memorable, but then there’s everything else he does.

psssst..he is a point guard, that is why he has the ball more than the others. Sheesh.