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Re: Small Trade With Houston
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2021, 12:55:38 PM »

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I'd rather have Richardson

Any particular reason why? I don’t really see anything that Richardson does better than Gordon. Eric would fill a need.
which is why you should rewatch the games.  Richardson is a terrific defensive player and his offense has come around in the last month.  Gordon may be a better shooter, but he couldn't defend a chair.

Re: Small Trade With Houston
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2021, 12:59:59 PM »

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If we are trading with Houston, why not this:

Wood, Wall and a 1st rounder

For

Horford, Hernangomez and Schröder and trade exception?

Now hear me out. I know Wall is constantly hurt and has a huge contract but the real assets the C's want out of this trade are Wood and that first rounder.

None of Juancho, Al or Schröder will be on this team next year. Moving them to get Wood and that 1st rounder makes all the sense in the world. And if Wall can be even a little like the Wall in Washington, he makes a tremendous bench piece for a season and a half.

Smart/Wall/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Nesmith
Tatum/Romeo
Wood/Grant/Parker
Timelord/Freedom/Fernando

Of course, you can flex players into other positions like Wood as a center in a smaller lineups. Or Richardson or Nesmith playing SF. Even Pritchard could play the 2 alongside Smart or Wall.

And, you get that 1st round pick. But most importantly you get Wood, a young player on The Jays timeline, who can be that excellent rebounding, highly efficient scoring, stretch 4 you can put alongside The Jays that put Tatum and Brown into positions where they can dominate others at the 3 and 2 respectively. The length, offensive potential and defensive chops of a Timelord/Wood/Tatum/Brown/Smart lineup would be elite.

And if Wall can turn into a Derrick Rose on the NYK type player, that's just a massive bonus.

If Houston would do this deal, you jump all over it. But a) I don’t think the math works, and b) doubtful HOU would trade us more than a MIL or BKN pick (which is fine, by the way). The Cs need assets of any kind.

I mean…. Wouldn’t you take Wood and Wall for Horford, Juancho, Richardson and change? I would.
I think the math works because you move Wood into the trade exception and Horford, Juancho and Richardson are within the parameters to trade for Wall.

Wall's contract is a major albatross and I think they might just be willing to move off Wood and a pick to rid the team of Wall. Look what Boston paid to get out of Kemba's last two years? I think the price is reasonable if you compare it to that Kemba/Horford trade.
I'd hate to lose Horford and Richardson but I'd do that deal to get Wood and the pick.  not sure what shape Wall is in but if he's 80% of Washington Wall, he'd make a big impact on the quality of ball handling on this team.  C's would be limited players in free agency next year even if they let Al go, so kicking the FA can down the road another year isn't a killer for this team until Wall's deal is up.

Re: Small Trade With Houston
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2021, 01:43:38 PM »

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I'd rather have Richardson

Any particular reason why? I don’t really see anything that Richardson does better than Gordon. Eric would fill a need.
which is why you should rewatch the games.  Richardson is a terrific defensive player and his offense has come around in the last month.  Gordon may be a better shooter, but he couldn't defend a chair.

Again, Eric Gordon has a higher defensive rating than Josh Richardson. For Rebounds and TO’s there is a difference of 0.6. Gordon is 6’3” 215lbs and Richardson is 6’5” 200lbs
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Re: Small Trade With Houston
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2021, 02:38:48 PM »

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I don't see ownership signing off on a huge tax bill increase for a marginal improvement on the floor. If anything I see the Cs trading away Schroder and/or Richardson for a pick or under achieving young player with potential, if the team continues to tack towards mediocrity.

Re: Small Trade With Houston
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2021, 02:43:44 PM »

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I'd rather have Richardson

Any particular reason why? I don’t really see anything that Richardson does better than Gordon. Eric would fill a need.
which is why you should rewatch the games.  Richardson is a terrific defensive player and his offense has come around in the last month.  Gordon may be a better shooter, but he couldn't defend a chair.

Again, Eric Gordon has a higher defensive rating than Josh Richardson. For Rebounds and TO’s there is a difference of 0.6. Gordon is 6’3” 215lbs and Richardson is 6’5” 200lbs
that alone would call into question the validity of that statistic.  watching them play it's pretty clear Richardson is a much better defender.  in short, Richardson defending a player - good chance at a stop or steal and at a minimum he directs the player to the right area of the floor for help defense.  Gordon defending a player - going to need a rim protecting center or hope that if the offense takes the shot, they miss.   would love to see if there's stats about who Gordon is defending when on the floor --> he's typically on someone who's not much of an offensive threat or certainly not a threat to drive to the hoop.  Richardson can be put on anyone.