BR Report: Celtics interested in acquiring Lauri Markkanan?

[tonydelk]

To those cap gurus.  If LM signs his qualifying offer from the bulls how soon can he be traded to a team?  Would it count as a sign and trade or can the cs just send them a 2nd round pick and the TPE from the TT deal and not be hard capped.  Now if he does this and is moved does the team lose his bird rights and if the team wanted to resign him how would that work?

[Celtics2021]

To those cap gurus.  If LM signs his qualifying offer from the bulls how soon can he be traded to a team?  Would it count as a sign and trade or can the cs just send them a 2nd round pick and the TPE from the TT deal and not be hard capped.  Now if he does this and is moved does the team lose his bird rights and if the team wanted to resign him how would that work?

He couldn’t be traded until January 15th, and he could only be traded with his permission.  If he is traded, his new team would not get full Bird rights next summer which could limit his next contract (thus he may be inclined to reject a trade).  His new team would get early Bird rights, which would mean his salary if he resigned with them could start at only 130% of his salary this year (which I think would be around $9 million, so next year’s deal would start at $11.7 million, significantly less than he is seeking).

[BudweiserCeltic]

I was reading the sign and trade rules, from larry coon faq, and since the Celtics used the tax payer mle to sign Dennis they CAN NOT receive a player in a sign and trade, discussion is mute. See
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

Interesting.  What an odd rule.  Have we officially inked Schroeder yet?

The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season. ...

These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves. Also, the restriction applies only to the sign-and-trade transaction itself -- teams are free to acquire players who had been signed-and-traded in earlier transactions.

It seems like we could S&T for Markannen and then use the Taxpayer MLE, but we *can't* use the Taxpayer MLE then S&T for Markannen. 

We'd also be able to sign Schroeder to a $5.9 million deal using the Full MLE, and then S&T for Markannen at any time.

I'm sure there's some perspective under which this makes sense, but I'm not seeing it.

As mentioned in the other thread, I think the distinction comes with the definition of a Taxpayer MLE, it assumes that we're going to be above the Apron. If we do a sign and trade, we'd be hard capped at the apron, so we can't use this Tax MLE anyways since we can't go above the apron anyways. So technically, after doing the S&T we should be able to use a portion of the non-tax MLE and still remain below the apron.

I think the issue is that we're labeling the exception to use, it'll all depend if after the calculations (which are a bit steeper than what's considered in the team salary otherwise) takes us above the apron. If that's the case, we can't receive a player in a S&T anyways.

To be clear, TAXPAYER MLE is only for use above the apron. A player received via S&T caps us at the apron, so we can't use the TAXPAYER MLE.

But if at some point we make an official signing using the taxpayer MLE, that means we were operating above the apron and we can't in turn then do a S&T afterwards.

So in all, officially signing Schroder should be one of the last things we do.

That's how I'm reading the rules, hopefully someone can clarify.

[tstorey_97]

Thank you for trying to make sense of the ...

"Celtics interested in Markkenan" headline.

Stevens could use a big and there he is, perhaps on the way out from Chitown. Maybe those factors inspired the news bit.

If it is legit, I'm sure Stevens has planned the transaction and the details for quite some time.

I'll just pretend they're going to trade for LM.

The only deal I thought was possible was Smart for LM and this is why...

The Celtics have 5 or 6 guards and they haven't just woken up one morning with this situation, they have brought in Dunn, Richardson, Schroder...they have Smart and Pritchard. All of these players are legit.

Stevens isn't stupid, there is a plan being executed and I just don't see the sense of any of the above without a trade involving one of those guards.

As Stevens won't be trading for wingers, a rumor pops up about a PF who's going to leave his team and the salary matches with Smart's.

Call me crazy.

Ok, why does Stevens want LM? Good offensive player, who can spread the floor with his three pointer, but how does this guy match with the J's....that is what we're talking about right? We've got 14 other guys, but, they don't mean that much if they don't help the J's get to title town and is this LM guy that guy? Or, is he getting traded next year for the super star?

Clunky deal at best, unless Wyc is going all in next year and blowing the cap up.

LM's a good player, but, I was hoping for a banger, plus didn't Horford want to avoid playing center? I guess Horford won't have that many minutes anyway.

Doesn't look like a fit to me...this Markkanen guy.

[Moranis]

I was reading the sign and trade rules, from larry coon faq, and since the Celtics used the tax payer mle to sign Dennis they CAN NOT receive a player in a sign and trade, discussion is mute. See
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

Interesting.  What an odd rule.  Have we officially inked Schroeder yet?

The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season. ...

These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves. Also, the restriction applies only to the sign-and-trade transaction itself -- teams are free to acquire players who had been signed-and-traded in earlier transactions.

It seems like we could S&T for Markannen and then use the Taxpayer MLE, but we *can't* use the Taxpayer MLE then S&T for Markannen. 

We'd also be able to sign Schroeder to a $5.9 million deal using the Full MLE, and then S&T for Markannen at any time.

I'm sure there's some perspective under which this makes sense, but I'm not seeing it.

I think it is because you can't sign and trade for a player and pay the tax and  you can only use the taxpayer MLE if you are paying the tax.  I had forgotten that rule until now.  So yeah, no sign and trade for Markkanen (or anyone else).

[BudweiserCeltic]

I was reading the sign and trade rules, from larry coon faq, and since the Celtics used the tax payer mle to sign Dennis they CAN NOT receive a player in a sign and trade, discussion is mute. See
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

Interesting.  What an odd rule.  Have we officially inked Schroeder yet?

The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season. ...

These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves. Also, the restriction applies only to the sign-and-trade transaction itself -- teams are free to acquire players who had been signed-and-traded in earlier transactions.

It seems like we could S&T for Markannen and then use the Taxpayer MLE, but we *can't* use the Taxpayer MLE then S&T for Markannen. 

We'd also be able to sign Schroeder to a $5.9 million deal using the Full MLE, and then S&T for Markannen at any time.

I'm sure there's some perspective under which this makes sense, but I'm not seeing it.

I think it is because you can't sign and trade for a player and pay the tax and  you can only use the taxpayer MLE if you are paying the tax.  I had forgotten that rule until now.  So yeah, no sign and trade for Markkanen (or anyone else).

You can pay tax, you just can't be above the apron ($6 million above the tax line). The taxpayer MLE is used when you go beyond the apron, else you can pay tax without going beyond it and use the other MLE (even if it's just a portion of it).