Your Quasi-Realistic Dream Trade Deadline

[gouki88]

Tatum for Simmons

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[Boise To Boston]

https://tradenba.com/trades/5zyEGk7A5

PG - Lonzo
SG - Brown
SF - Tatum
PF - Grant
C - Rob Williams

Bench: PP, Theis, Smart, Patterson, Thompson, Edwards, Green, Tacko, Waters, G Williams

Out - 4 First Rounders, Nesmith, Romeo, Kemba

Why Clippers do it:  Fix PG with Kemba, add young prospect that they need without many picks in the future

Why Detroit does it: Goes into tank mode and adds 2 firsts (we would probably need to add someone like PP/GWill/Carsen)

Why New Orleans does it:  Picks up two more firsts, Nesmith, and Veteran scoring and D

[BoulderMike]

To Orlando
- Kemba
- TT
- Daniel Theis
- Grant Williams
- Carson Edwards
- Boston's 2021 First Round Pick
- Boston's 2023 First Round Pick
*** NOTE: Assumes Orlando would flip TT and/or Daniel Theis to a third team for a second round pick (or just to dump TT's salary)

To Boston
- Vucevic
- A. Gordon

Would be great trade for both teams.

[todd_days_41]

To Orlando
- Kemba
- TT
- Daniel Theis
- Grant Williams
- Carson Edwards
- Boston's 2021 First Round Pick
- Boston's 2023 First Round Pick
*** NOTE: Assumes Orlando would flip TT and/or Daniel Theis to a third team for a second round pick (or just to dump TT's salary)

To Boston
- Vucevic
- A. Gordon

Would be great trade for both teams.

Why would Orlando trade for a “win now” player only to trade away their two best “win now” players in the same deal? You need to consider the motivations of both teams in any trade.

[todd_days_41]

The Orlando trade is Kemba for Fournier (expiring), Ross, and if you can squeeze it out of them, a future lottery protected 1st. Makes sense for both teams.

If you’re going to squeeze all that from the magic might as well ask them to unprotect the pick ... I mean all 3 assets they are sending on their own hold more trade value than Kemba and his deal let alone the three combined unless there is some diminishing return concepts that I’m missing lol

I don’t think this is even remotely accurate. Here’s a listing of the top PGs in the entire HISTORY of the Orlando Magic:

https://www.ranker.com/list/best-orlando-magic-point-guards/ranker-nba

Magic have had a revolving door of guards for years. They may very well be open to investing in Kemba considering: a) he’d be the best they’ve had in years, b) they’re one of the worst free agent destinations in the NBA, and c) they’re giving up a guy about to walk for nothing and a bench chucker.

I don’t think a heavily protected pick is out of the question by any means, but if push came to shove I’d do the deal without it to achieve the financial flexibility.

[Surferdad]

What is the goal of making a trade now?  It’s can’t be to win championship this year.  This is because there is no trade with the Magic, Bulls, Pistons or Kings that puts this team over the top.  None of those team have an elite player to offer.  NO has Zion but that’s not happening.

A Kemba-out, Horford-in scenario is helpful but still not enough. 

[PAOBoston]

To Orlando
- Kemba
- TT
- Daniel Theis
- Grant Williams
- Carson Edwards
- Boston's 2021 First Round Pick
- Boston's 2023 First Round Pick
*** NOTE: Assumes Orlando would flip TT and/or Daniel Theis to a third team for a second round pick (or just to dump TT's salary)

To Boston
- Vucevic
- A. Gordon

Would be great trade for both teams.

Not getting the Vucevic love. He’s a good player but doesn’t that run counter to the “Start Timelord”’ idea? At this point I’d be happy if Orlando traded Fournier/Gordon for Kemba. Do t think Orlando would have any interest in that.

[Wretch]

Based on how the team is playing I think we will more likely use our smaller TPEs to absorb salary in  a 3 team deal where we get draft comp to facilitate a larger deal. Maybe something involving the clippers or Mavs who might make a move now due to the Lakers injury issues.

[Vermont Green]

What is the goal of making a trade now?  It’s can’t be to win championship this year.  This is because there is no trade with the Magic, Bulls, Pistons or Kings that puts this team over the top.  None of those team have an elite player to offer.  NO has Zion but that’s not happening.

A Kemba-out, Horford-in scenario is helpful but still not enough.

This is the point.  We are not going to trade Kemba at the deadline and come out of it somehow better suited for this year's playoffs.  A team like the Clippers my be interested in Kemba but they are not going to give up "win now" players as the whole point of trading for Kemba for them is to win now.  This is why an off season trade is more likely.

It is possible that we trade Kemba now and even though the return does not help us win now more than keeping Kemba, it does set us up better for the future.  My pet trade of Kemba for Markkanen and Otto Porter is an example.  Chicago trades for Kemba to get something for Markkanen, a player they fear they could lose for nothing, and we get a player we hope to sign beyond this year and fits into our roster better than Kemba.  I don't expect this trade to happen or any deadline trade of Kemba for that matter.

Another trade scenario that I have toyed with is Kemba for Simmons as the core of the trade (with other pieces of course).  I think Philly could really benefit from a player like Kemba to have a "big 3" of Embiid. Harris, Kemba and we could play Simmons as our PF where his lack of shooting would not be as exposed.  Philly is playing well enough that they are not likely make this drastic of a change mid season but a trade around these two players could help both teams.  Both players are all star level (Simmons more so at the current time) but both have flaws or risks.  I feel that Simmons' lack of shooting hurts the Sixers more than it would hurt us.

[td450]

What is the goal of making a trade now?  It’s can’t be to win championship this year.  This is because there is no trade with the Magic, Bulls, Pistons or Kings that puts this team over the top.  None of those team have an elite player to offer.  NO has Zion but that’s not happening.

A Kemba-out, Horford-in scenario is helpful but still not enough.

We have a TPE and can either move now or in the offseason to use it. We have a Kemba Walker problem and 3 bigs with only two rotation spots.

Its all about opportunity.  Ainge would prefer to do something in the offseason, but we will have no idea whether we will get the opportunity to add a significant starter or not. If we get the chance to solve something in the next few days, we should do so.

We could really use a couple of plus starters that fit longer term. Your motivation is to improve the roster longer term. You can't just look for a championship or bust move.

[Vermont Green]

What is the goal of making a trade now?  It’s can’t be to win championship this year.  This is because there is no trade with the Magic, Bulls, Pistons or Kings that puts this team over the top.  None of those team have an elite player to offer.  NO has Zion but that’s not happening.

A Kemba-out, Horford-in scenario is helpful but still not enough.

We have a TPE and can either move now or in the offseason to use it. We have a Kemba Walker problem and 3 bigs with only two rotation spots.

Its all about opportunity.  Ainge would prefer to do something in the offseason, but we will have no idea whether we will get the opportunity to add a significant starter or not. If we get the chance to solve something in the next few days, we should do so.

We could really use a couple of plus starters that fit longer term. Your motivation is to improve the roster longer term. You can't just look for a championship or bust move.

Not sure I get this point.  I am guessing you are referring to Thompson, Theis, and RWilliams?  We have plenty of minutes for these three players between PF and C slots.  The problem is that none of them are all that good.  I would classify them as all fringe starters.  Williams is still improving for sure but right now, he is a really good big off the bench or a half decent at best starter.  To me, it would be nice to have at least one starting big that was better than half decent.

[td450]

What is the goal of making a trade now?  It’s can’t be to win championship this year.  This is because there is no trade with the Magic, Bulls, Pistons or Kings that puts this team over the top.  None of those team have an elite player to offer.  NO has Zion but that’s not happening.

A Kemba-out, Horford-in scenario is helpful but still not enough.

We have a TPE and can either move now or in the offseason to use it. We have a Kemba Walker problem and 3 bigs with only two rotation spots.

Its all about opportunity.  Ainge would prefer to do something in the offseason, but we will have no idea whether we will get the opportunity to add a significant starter or not. If we get the chance to solve something in the next few days, we should do so.

We could really use a couple of plus starters that fit longer term. Your motivation is to improve the roster longer term. You can't just look for a championship or bust move.

Not sure I get this point.  I am guessing you are referring to Thompson, Theis, and RWilliams?  We have plenty of minutes for these three players between PF and C slots.  The problem is that none of them are all that good.  I would classify them as all fringe starters.  Williams is still improving for sure but right now, he is a really good big off the bench or a half decent at best starter.  To me, it would be nice to have at least one starting big that was better than half decent.

I' saying we don't need Theis and Thompson. We need one, and a budget big. I'd prefer to keep Theis. Thompson isn't worth the money now that we are clearly not contending for a title this year. It would be better not to squander minutes on an older player with no long term upside.

I also don't think its accurate to claim that none of them are all that good. There are a handful of great bigs and another handful of very good ones in the league and that's it. Theis and RWilliams would start for more than half the teams in the league. Center is not the problem with this team.

[arctic 3.0]

our team needs revamping and I think we need to approach the deadline as sellers this year.
We don’t have the pieces to compete and we need to reset in order to build around the j’s.
Luckily we have a few pieces that would be attractive to teams looking to make a playoff push.
Kemba and TT could net us prospects or picks,  Marcus could bring back more, the smaller
TE’s could net expiring contracts and a second rounder.

I’m open to trading anyone except the J’s. Would hold on to TL as well unless the return is exceptional.

[gouki88]

To Orlando
- Kemba
- TT
- Daniel Theis
- Grant Williams
- Carson Edwards
- Boston's 2021 First Round Pick
- Boston's 2023 First Round Pick
*** NOTE: Assumes Orlando would flip TT and/or Daniel Theis to a third team for a second round pick (or just to dump TT's salary)

To Boston
- Vucevic
- A. Gordon

Would be great trade for both teams.

Not getting the Vucevic love. He’s a good player but doesn’t that run counter to the “Start Timelord”’ idea? At this point I’d be happy if Orlando traded Fournier/Gordon for Kemba. Do t think Orlando would have any interest in that.

Given Vuce is borderline All-NBA whereas TimeLord is a fringe starter, I think it speaks for itself

[colincb]

To Orlando
- Kemba
- TT
- Daniel Theis
- Grant Williams
- Carson Edwards
- Boston's 2021 First Round Pick
- Boston's 2023 First Round Pick
*** NOTE: Assumes Orlando would flip TT and/or Daniel Theis to a third team for a second round pick (or just to dump TT's salary)

To Boston
- Vucevic
- A. Gordon

Would be great trade for both teams.

It puts ORL into tax, so it's DOA. The second issue is Kemba because ORL is high on Fultz as PG, AND Kemba's trade value is pretty low right now.