Gary Washburn: Blame Danny Ainge

[tenn_smoothie]

I'm so glad we didn't get Turner and McBuckets.  Turner had like 3 boards tonight and the Pacers are generally even more frustrating than we are.  We'd just be murdered on the cap and right where we are now anyway

I know lots of people loved Turner because he is tall and blocks some shots, but he is no Embiid stopper. Turner "held" Embiid to 24 points, 13 rebounds and 5 assists in 27 minutes.

I think Theis/Thompson/Timelord could "hold" Embiid to those numbers.

Yep, they could, maybe. Just haven't done it in three seasons is all.
No reason to think they won't hold Embiid down though, at least once in the next five years.

[nickagneta]

I'm so glad we didn't get Turner and McBuckets.  Turner had like 3 boards tonight and the Pacers are generally even more frustrating than we are.  We'd just be murdered on the cap and right where we are now anyway

I know lots of people loved Turner because he is tall and blocks some shots, but he is no Embiid stopper. Turner "held" Embiid to 24 points, 13 rebounds and 5 assists in 27 minutes.

I think Theis/Thompson/Timelord could "hold" Embiid to those numbers.

Yep, they could, maybe. Just haven't done it in three seasons is all.
No reason to think they won't hold Embiid down though, at least once in the next five years.

And here I was thinking the last time Philly beat Boston in a postseason series was 1982.

In their two playoff series against Embiid, he averaged 23 PPG in 37.4 MPG and 30 PPG in 36.2 MPG.

In those two series Philly won one game. Those per minute totals are as good, if not much better, than what Turner "held" Embiid to.

Oh, and the Sixers won a whole one game combined in two series. One.

[GreenBoomer]

2018 Draft - The throw-in pick that brought Irving to Boston that basically goes unmentioned . . . #8 Pick, Collin Sexton. Would be nice to have him in green right now, wouldn't it?

[PhoSita]

I'm so glad we didn't get Turner and McBuckets.  Turner had like 3 boards tonight and the Pacers are generally even more frustrating than we are.  We'd just be murdered on the cap and right where we are now anyway

Right, like I get the appeal of having a lanky 6'11'' shooting center who protects the rim, can score inside efficiently on mismatches, and contributes on the defensive boards.

That's a good description of post-knee-injury KG, who I loved.

Myles Turner is not Kevin Garnett; he's not even old-Kevin Garnett.  Myles Turner is a worse version of Milwaukee Brook Lopez.  He makes about twice as much as you would really want to pay him given what he provides.

[esel1000]

I'm so glad we didn't get Turner and McBuckets.  Turner had like 3 boards tonight and the Pacers are generally even more frustrating than we are.  We'd just be murdered on the cap and right where we are now anyway

Right, like I get the appeal of having a lanky 6'11'' shooting center who protects the rim, can score inside efficiently on mismatches, and contributes on the defensive boards.

That's a good description of post-knee-injury KG, who I loved.

Myles Turner is not Kevin Garnett; he's not even old-Kevin Garnett.  Myles Turner is a worse version of Milwaukee Brook Lopez.  He makes about twice as much as you would really want to pay him given what he provides.

You’re not wrong on Turner and not making the Hayward S&T may ultimately prove to be the best move, but the frustration currently lies in losing Hayward for nothing but the TPE and seeing negative effects on the court as a result.

Now let’s see how Danny uses the TPE, it could ultimately end up being better than Turner/McBuckets.

That said, I believe that Turner/McBuckets would have made the team better at least in the short term, especially McBuckets off the bench.

Now if DA uses the TPE on some moves that build toward the future with the Js then yes it may end up being better than not making the S&T but if he does nothing with it then I still think it could ultimately end up being a lost opportunity.

[slamtheking]

2018 Draft - The throw-in pick that brought Irving to Boston that basically goes unmentioned . . . #8 Pick, Collin Sexton. Would be nice to have him in green right now, wouldn't it?

I still don't have an issue with that trade even after what Kyrie did while here.  I'm not so sure Sexton would have been the pick though if Danny kept it.

SGA, Porter and the Bridges were still on the board at that time although, with IT's health, Danny very well may have taken a PG like Sexton.  for all we know, maybe he takes Timelord in that slot and gives/trades the pick we used on Timelord for 2 future seconds that wouldn't make the club (like Bane this year)

[footey]

I'm so glad we didn't get Turner and McBuckets.  Turner had like 3 boards tonight and the Pacers are generally even more frustrating than we are.  We'd just be murdered on the cap and right where we are now anyway

Right, like I get the appeal of having a lanky 6'11'' shooting center who protects the rim, can score inside efficiently on mismatches, and contributes on the defensive boards.

That's a good description of post-knee-injury KG, who I loved.

Myles Turner is not Kevin Garnett; he's not even old-Kevin Garnett.  Myles Turner is a worse version of Milwaukee Brook Lopez.  He makes about twice as much as you would really want to pay him given what he provides.

You’re not wrong on Turner and not making the Hayward S&T may ultimately prove to be the best move, but the frustration currently lies in losing Hayward for nothing but the TPE and seeing negative effects on the court as a result.

Now let’s see how Danny uses the TPE, it could ultimately end up being better than Turner/McBuckets.

That said, I believe that Turner/McBuckets would have made the team better at least in the short term, especially McBuckets off the bench.

Now if DA uses the TPE on some moves that build toward the future with the Js then yes it may end up being better than not making the S&T but if he does nothing with it then I still think it could ultimately end up being a lost opportunity.

McDermott shooting a blistering 35% from 3. That guy??

[GreenBoomer]

2018 Draft - The throw-in pick that brought Irving to Boston that basically goes unmentioned . . . #8 Pick, Collin Sexton. Would be nice to have him in green right now, wouldn't it?

I still don't have an issue with that trade even after what Kyrie did while here.  I'm not so sure Sexton would have been the pick though if Danny kept it.

SGA, Porter and the Bridges were still on the board at that time although, with IT's health, Danny very well may have taken a PG like Sexton.  for all we know, maybe he takes Timelord in that slot and gives/trades the pick we used on Timelord for 2 future seconds that wouldn't make the club (like Bane this year)

He may not have taken Sexton, but he would have fit the mold. 6'1 with 6'7 wingspan, good defender,  aggressive scorer, good off the pick and roll, and just 22. Could have kept Rozier, and eliminate the need for Edwards and Waters. I would have liked to see him keep the #8 regardless and sweeten the package with multiple lower 1st rounders. I like Ainge, just not that particular trade. But hindsight is 20/20.

[esel1000]

I'm so glad we didn't get Turner and McBuckets.  Turner had like 3 boards tonight and the Pacers are generally even more frustrating than we are.  We'd just be murdered on the cap and right where we are now anyway

Right, like I get the appeal of having a lanky 6'11'' shooting center who protects the rim, can score inside efficiently on mismatches, and contributes on the defensive boards.

That's a good description of post-knee-injury KG, who I loved.

Myles Turner is not Kevin Garnett; he's not even old-Kevin Garnett.  Myles Turner is a worse version of Milwaukee Brook Lopez.  He makes about twice as much as you would really want to pay him given what he provides.

You’re not wrong on Turner and not making the Hayward S&T may ultimately prove to be the best move, but the frustration currently lies in losing Hayward for nothing but the TPE and seeing negative effects on the court as a result.

Now let’s see how Danny uses the TPE, it could ultimately end up being better than Turner/McBuckets.

That said, I believe that Turner/McBuckets would have made the team better at least in the short term, especially McBuckets off the bench.

Now if DA uses the TPE on some moves that build toward the future with the Js then yes it may end up being better than not making the S&T but if he does nothing with it then I still think it could ultimately end up being a lost opportunity.

McDermott shooting a blistering 35% from 3. That guy??

41% career 3 pt shooter, shooting 50% from the field this season. You don’t think he would help this bench?

[PhoSita]

You’re not wrong on Turner and not making the Hayward S&T may ultimately prove to be the best move, but the frustration currently lies in losing Hayward for nothing but the TPE and seeing negative effects on the court as a result.

I certainly understand the frustration of losing a player for nothing, especially when it seems like they could have probably gotten something. 

That said, I don't think that adding a redundant player (even if they didn't sign TT the Celts would still have a logjam at the 5 if they had traded for Turner), who makes more money than he's worth and is locked up for several years, is better than getting "nothing."

If Danny fails to use the TPE to add a valuable player or two, that will be failure.  I do think that having that TPE is probably a better piece to have from a roster building perspective than an overpaid center and a limited wing shooter who isn't even shooting that well this season.

[PhoSita]

2018 Draft - The throw-in pick that brought Irving to Boston that basically goes unmentioned . . . #8 Pick, Collin Sexton. Would be nice to have him in green right now, wouldn't it?

I still don't have an issue with that trade even after what Kyrie did while here.  I'm not so sure Sexton would have been the pick though if Danny kept it.

SGA, Porter and the Bridges were still on the board at that time although, with IT's health, Danny very well may have taken a PG like Sexton.  for all we know, maybe he takes Timelord in that slot and gives/trades the pick we used on Timelord for 2 future seconds that wouldn't make the club (like Bane this year)

Look I'm one of the biggest critics of Kyrie around, but the Kyrie trade made too much sense not to do it.  Danny was making a big swing to try to set this team up as a major contender.  Danny knew that star players in the league respect Kyrie more than perhaps his on-court value actually justifies.  Kyrie seemed like a potential draw for a superstar (e.g. Anthony Davis).

There was no way to know that Kyrie would end up flip flopping on whether he wanted to stay and ultimately torpedo a whole season on his way out.


In retrospect it's easy to have qualms about the move, but I think at the time it was clearly the right move from a talent perspective, and if there was any decent chance that it would have led to the Celts having Kyrie and AD locked up long term, it was totally the right move.

[aingeforthree]

I don’t understand what I’m blaming Ainge for ?

For drafting the likes of Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams, Langford ? What are they, all under 25 ? Yet that team alone beats up half the teams in the league. LOL

Now what happens when they actually develop together ? Do the math.

He’s one of, if not the smartest GM’s in the business. Always has built a winner. His young team isn’t doing well in an injury riddled Covid year (still .500 and have played the most crunch time games in the nba, 22).

I don’t know much about Madar, but Pritchard & Nesmith look like solid draft picks.

He’s also got his picks and the TPE to acquire some building blocks when/if the right person comes along. I think he’s got it setup perfect to contend yet again (tough to blame or complain about 3 Eastern Conference finals trips in 4 years).

[GreenBoomer]

2018 Draft - The throw-in pick that brought Irving to Boston that basically goes unmentioned . . . #8 Pick, Collin Sexton. Would be nice to have him in green right now, wouldn't it?

I still don't have an issue with that trade even after what Kyrie did while here.  I'm not so sure Sexton would have been the pick though if Danny kept it.

SGA, Porter and the Bridges were still on the board at that time although, with IT's health, Danny very well may have taken a PG like Sexton.  for all we know, maybe he takes Timelord in that slot and gives/trades the pick we used on Timelord for 2 future seconds that wouldn't make the club (like Bane this year)

Look I'm one of the biggest critics of Kyrie around, but the Kyrie trade made too much sense not to do it.  Danny was making a big swing to try to set this team up as a major contender.  Danny knew that star players in the league respect Kyrie more than perhaps his on-court value actually justifies.  Kyrie seemed like a potential draw for a superstar (e.g. Anthony Davis).

There was no way to know that Kyrie would end up flip flopping on whether he wanted to stay and ultimately torpedo a whole season on his way out.


In retrospect it's easy to have qualms about the move, but I think at the time it was clearly the right move from a talent perspective, and if there was any decent chance that it would have led to the Celts having Kyrie and AD locked up long term, it was totally the right move.

That's not my point. Liked the idea of Kyrie in green. I just thought with the number of assets at that time, it would have been nice to keep #8 that year. Trade may not have gone down w/out it though. Who knows.

[footey]

2018 Draft - The throw-in pick that brought Irving to Boston that basically goes unmentioned . . . #8 Pick, Collin Sexton. Would be nice to have him in green right now, wouldn't it?

I still don't have an issue with that trade even after what Kyrie did while here.  I'm not so sure Sexton would have been the pick though if Danny kept it.

SGA, Porter and the Bridges were still on the board at that time although, with IT's health, Danny very well may have taken a PG like Sexton.  for all we know, maybe he takes Timelord in that slot and gives/trades the pick we used on Timelord for 2 future seconds that wouldn't make the club (like Bane this year)

Look I'm one of the biggest critics of Kyrie around, but the Kyrie trade made too much sense not to do it.  Danny was making a big swing to try to set this team up as a major contender.  Danny knew that star players in the league respect Kyrie more than perhaps his on-court value actually justifies.  Kyrie seemed like a potential draw for a superstar (e.g. Anthony Davis).

There was no way to know that Kyrie would end up flip flopping on whether he wanted to stay and ultimately torpedo a whole season on his way out.


In retrospect it's easy to have qualms about the move, but I think at the time it was clearly the right move from a talent perspective, and if there was any decent chance that it would have led to the Celts having Kyrie and AD locked up long term, it was totally the right move.

That's not my point. Liked the idea of Kyrie in green. I just thought with the number of assets at that time, it would have been nice to keep #8 that year. Trade may not have gone down w/out it though. Who knows.

The Nets pick was the centerpiece of the trade from CLE pov.  Frankly had more value than 8th pick, because when the trade was made, the Nets were projected to be bottom 2-3 team like the prior two seasons.