Vucevic & Grayson

[GreenlyGreeny]

BOS In: Vucevic, Grayson Allen
BOS Out: R. Williams, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Edwards, Teague, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, ‘23 1st, ‘23 2nd, ‘25 1st, ‘25 2nd (MEM)

ORL In: R. Williams, Langford, G. Williams, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, ‘23 1st, ‘25 1st
ORL Out: Vucevic

MEM In: Nesmith, Edwards, Teague, ‘23 2nd, ‘25 2nd (MEM)
MEM Out: Allen

Commentary: Nobody is giving us much value for kids who cannot even prove if they’ll be rotational players, even if they were taken 14th overall (hence our disastrous dilemma), so getting Vucevic and Allen is mostly as a result of the picks and possible hope of one of these guys panning out (Prediction: None of them will ever be starters, one or two will be a career rotational player, and the rest will be out of the league by the start of the 2024-2025 season).

With this trade, we get an exceptional big on offense who score from anywhere, rebound as good as anybody in the league, and can hopefully improve his defense under Stevens. His contract has two years left after this, and it was front-loaded. In terms of Allen, we’re trading potential rotational players for a definite rotational player who could become a starter in a year or two if he takes his game to the next level under Stevens. Considering Allen is a disciple of Coach K, would bank on that over the guys we give up panning out. Allen is cost-controlled this year and next. We also remain below the luxury line this year and next, with enough room to remain below the line and bring-in a buy-out candidate.

Speaking of which, if we get Griffin after the Pistons buy him out then we’ve definitelu got a shot this year:

Walker/Pritchard
Smart/Allen
Brown/Theis
Tatum/Griffin/Ojeyele
Vucevic/TT

All but Theis, Ojeyele and Griffin would be under contract next year.

Riding the bench: Green, Waters, Fall

Remaining picks:

‘21 1st
‘22 1st
‘24 2nd
‘25 2nd
All picks in 2026-beyond

Downside: Vucevic is 30 and we all know how quickly a 30+ year old center can go downhill (hence my preference for Collins). We’d have to absolutely nail our next two first-round picks like we did with Pritchard, too, when you consider how dry 2023-2025 would be...

Additional thoughts/comments? In case you’re wondering, would still advocate moving Kemba for Horford and Hill after completing this trade. We’d be lucky to have that veteran leadership/consistency this year and next.

https://tradenba.com/trades/VugoyMsl0

[liam]

Good trade for Memphis. They give up nothing for the 14th pick and couple of seconds.

[byennie]

I like Vucevic, but trading 12 players and picks, including 3 recent mid-1sts and two future ones, is madness. Also don’t get going out of our way for a headcase like Allen who’s not worth a 1st on his own.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Good trade for Memphis. They give up nothing for the 14th pick and couple of seconds.

Grayson is averaging 10.4 PPG/2.9 RPG/2.1 APG at 24 MPG. He’s improved each of his three years. He’s a proven NBA rotational player who’s 25 and might yet blossom into a starter. That’s a lot more than we’re ever going to get out of Nesmith, regardless of where in the draft he was picked, and we’re just giving them back the picks we got from earlier. 

Vucevic and Grayson = 34 PPG/15 RPG/6 APG. What are we giving up in terms of these metrics by moving Nesmith, Langford, the Williams and Edwards? Frankly, we’d be lucky to get Vucevic without giving up a third first-rounder.

[gouki88]

Why on earth are we giving up our most recent lotto pick for the biggest scumbag in the NBA? No thank you!

Vuce I'm all in on, but would rather root for the 76ers than have Allen on our team

[GreenlyGreeny]

Why on earth are we giving up our most recent lotto pick for the biggest scumbag in the NBA? No thank you!

Vuce I'm all in on, but would rather root for the 76ers than have Allen on our team

We could use a Laimbeer of the 2020s? JK. Seriously, Grayson’s rough reputation is unwarranted. He plays tough just like the guys did in the ‘80s and ‘90s, but not quite on par with Laimbeer. People respect that toughness, especially after dealing with Smart (just when Smart sits down, the energy-drainer of endless hustle, now they can’t think they’re going to have it easy on offense up against the unpredictable Allen—a great 1-2 punch at the 2).

[byennie]

Good trade for Memphis. They give up nothing for the 14th pick and couple of seconds.

Grayson is averaging 10.4 PPG/2.9 RPG/2.1 APG at 24 MPG. He’s improved each of his three years. He’s a proven NBA rotational player who’s 25 and might yet blossom into a starter. That’s a lot more than we’re ever going to get out of Nesmith, regardless of where in the draft he was picked, and we’re just giving them back the picks we got from earlier. 

Vucevic and Grayson = 34 PPG/15 RPG/6 APG. What are we giving up in terms of these metrics by moving Nesmith, Langford, the Williams and Edwards? Frankly, we’d be lucky to get Vucevic without giving up a third first-rounder.

Wait so Grayson Allen plays 4 years of college ball, gets drafted #21, 3 years into his NBA career, his career highlight is averaging 10/3 for a quarter of a season, and he's a valuable budding starter?

Nesmith the best pure shooter in the draft, gets drafted #14, and 13 games into his NBA career he'll never be as good as Allen? After earning minutes with no training camp and limited practices?

And we want to trade the rookie contract of Nesmith for 2 years of Allen... and on top of that Grayson also has some of the worst character issues in the league?

And we have to throw in another player and a couple of picks?

Horrendous.

Vucevic sure, but this is some bizarre overreaction to a modestly good stat line.

[gouki88]

Why on earth are we giving up our most recent lotto pick for the biggest scumbag in the NBA? No thank you!

Vuce I'm all in on, but would rather root for the 76ers than have Allen on our team

We could use a Laimbeer of the 2020s? JK. Seriously, Grayson’s rough reputation is unwarranted. He plays tough just like the guys did in the ‘80s and ‘90s, but not quite on par with Laimbeer. People respect that toughness, especially after dealing with Smart (just when Smart sits down, the energy-drainer of endless hustle, now they can’t think they’re going to have it easy on offense up against the unpredictable Allen—a great 1-2 punch at the 2).

He doesn’t play tough at all, he just plays dirty.

He’s also not that good. Nesmith will be better than him imminently.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I firmly believe we gotta dump this deadwood youth. They’re the reason why this team’s chemistry is so different from the prior 4 years. It’s embarrassing that we’re maybe not going to make the playoffs. Allen’s dollars work well and can see Memphis making things work.

[gouki88]

I firmly believe we gotta dump this deadwood youth. They’re the reason why this team’s chemistry is so different from the prior 4 years. It’s embarrassing that we’re maybe not going to make the playoffs. Allen’s dollars work well and can see Memphis making things work.

I’m sure the addition of a notorious **** while giving up a huge overpay for him, including numerous young promising players, would be greaaaat for chemistry

I get that you’re desperate to make a deal at all costs. But some of these are nonsensical