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Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2021, 08:00:58 AM »

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This is a ludicrous notion. Pritchard is not a starter. Kemba was an all star last year. All NBA the year before. He’s a starter. He’s a better player. This is crazy talk.

Making the all star team has more to do with individual popularity

Scoring 40 points/putting up stats but losing..... doesn't mean the player knows how to win

Btw you don't know that Pritchard is not a starter.   Not sure how you already came to this conclusion
The guy that won a national championship in college doesn't know how to win!  ::) ::) ::)

Kemba knows how to win. The guy that drafted him and built teams around him didn't know how and still doesn't know how to build a winning team.

Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2021, 08:33:46 AM »

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Fwiw, Kemba did have this to say. Hard to knock a guy with his attitude, who is coming back from a weird injury, and learning to be the 3rd option for the first time in his career.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1355277319582015493?s=20

Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2021, 08:57:46 AM »

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Fwiw, Kemba did have this to say. Hard to knock a guy with his attitude, who is coming back from a weird injury, and learning to be the 3rd option for the first time in his career.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1355277319582015493?s=20

Yes he did say this, but can you point to anything in the way he has played that shows he is acting on this?

Have you noticed him moving the ball more? Choosing to swing the ball to Brown more?

In 5 games to date, his per 36 minutes shots are higher than last year. Per 100 possessions, Walker takes 28.2 shots, while Brown takes 28.9. We all know who is making more of those shots.

He is saying the right things but he isn't doing anything to back it up.

Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2021, 09:31:25 AM »

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Fwiw, Kemba did have this to say. Hard to knock a guy with his attitude, who is coming back from a weird injury, and learning to be the 3rd option for the first time in his career.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1355277319582015493?s=20

Yes he did say this, but can you point to anything in the way he has played that shows he is acting on this?

Have you noticed him moving the ball more? Choosing to swing the ball to Brown more?

In 5 games to date, his per 36 minutes shots are higher than last year. Per 100 possessions, Walker takes 28.2 shots, while Brown takes 28.9. We all know who is making more of those shots.

He is saying the right things but he isn't doing anything to back it up.
Kemba said he would figure it out. That, in and of itself, admits he hasn't figured it out yet and, I am guessing some of that is because Stevens might have let Kemba play his usual game to get him back in shape and his shot back in form.

The chemistry between the Kemba and the Jays was great last year only with Kemba being a #2 option and Brown #3. Now it will be Tatum #1A, Brown #1B and Kemba #3. Kemba is an intelligent player and great leader. He will indeed figure out how to be that #3 guy that compliments the Jays.

Kemba has never shown any indication of being a selfish person or player but has shown himself to be a leader and very coachable. Stevens will coach him up into how to be that high quality third option scorer and more of a playmaker for others, of that, I have no doubt.

Lastly, some context to your stats. Kemba has played with both Jays, once, and shot less shots than both Jays in that game. He has also been on a minutes restriction. Which means the reason for Kemba's per36 numbers on FGA is due to being a #2 option behind Brown in much less minutes played which, due to the small sample size, inflates his per36 numbers.
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Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2021, 10:51:09 AM »

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 I don’t trust Brad in this one bit. I think he’ll plant JB in that corner but can’t wait to be wrong.

Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2021, 11:32:43 AM »

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Fwiw, Kemba did have this to say. Hard to knock a guy with his attitude, who is coming back from a weird injury, and learning to be the 3rd option for the first time in his career.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1355277319582015493?s=20

Yes he did say this, but can you point to anything in the way he has played that shows he is acting on this?

Have you noticed him moving the ball more? Choosing to swing the ball to Brown more?

In 5 games to date, his per 36 minutes shots are higher than last year. Per 100 possessions, Walker takes 28.2 shots, while Brown takes 28.9. We all know who is making more of those shots.

He is saying the right things but he isn't doing anything to back it up.
Kemba said he would figure it out. That, in and of itself, admits he hasn't figured it out yet and, I am guessing some of that is because Stevens might have let Kemba play his usual game to get him back in shape and his shot back in form.

The chemistry between the Kemba and the Jays was great last year only with Kemba being a #2 option and Brown #3. Now it will be Tatum #1A, Brown #1B and Kemba #3. Kemba is an intelligent player and great leader. He will indeed figure out how to be that #3 guy that compliments the Jays.

Kemba has never shown any indication of being a selfish person or player but has shown himself to be a leader and very coachable. Stevens will coach him up into how to be that high quality third option scorer and more of a playmaker for others, of that, I have no doubt.

Lastly, some context to your stats. Kemba has played with both Jays, once, and shot less shots than both Jays in that game. He has also been on a minutes restriction. Which means the reason for Kemba's per36 numbers on FGA is due to being a #2 option behind Brown in much less minutes played which, due to the small sample size, inflates his per36 numbers.

In that one game he shot 15 times in 27 minutes. That translates to 20 shots per 36, or one more than Jaylen, who did play 36 in that game.

Your argument is that this will all happen in the future because he is a good guy, coachable, and a leader. I am somewhat less convinced. I submit Marcus Smart as evidence that these types of adjustments are not mandatory.

I do find it concerning that he came back without displaying any insight into how to proceed so far.


Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2021, 12:03:32 PM »

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With the J's now working on NBA top ten futures, Walker is no longer a fit. He really isn't.

However, he is a great player and the organization is going to have to make him fit.

If the Celtics have a "big three" Walker is one of them.

When he's on the floor he still draws the biggest response from the defense and there has to be an effective way to exploit this.

Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2021, 01:46:19 PM »

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Fwiw, Kemba did have this to say. Hard to knock a guy with his attitude, who is coming back from a weird injury, and learning to be the 3rd option for the first time in his career.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1355277319582015493?s=20

Yes he did say this, but can you point to anything in the way he has played that shows he is acting on this?

Have you noticed him moving the ball more? Choosing to swing the ball to Brown more?

In 5 games to date, his per 36 minutes shots are higher than last year. Per 100 possessions, Walker takes 28.2 shots, while Brown takes 28.9. We all know who is making more of those shots.

He is saying the right things but he isn't doing anything to back it up.
Kemba said he would figure it out. That, in and of itself, admits he hasn't figured it out yet and, I am guessing some of that is because Stevens might have let Kemba play his usual game to get him back in shape and his shot back in form.

The chemistry between the Kemba and the Jays was great last year only with Kemba being a #2 option and Brown #3. Now it will be Tatum #1A, Brown #1B and Kemba #3. Kemba is an intelligent player and great leader. He will indeed figure out how to be that #3 guy that compliments the Jays.

Kemba has never shown any indication of being a selfish person or player but has shown himself to be a leader and very coachable. Stevens will coach him up into how to be that high quality third option scorer and more of a playmaker for others, of that, I have no doubt.

Lastly, some context to your stats. Kemba has played with both Jays, once, and shot less shots than both Jays in that game. He has also been on a minutes restriction. Which means the reason for Kemba's per36 numbers on FGA is due to being a #2 option behind Brown in much less minutes played which, due to the small sample size, inflates his per36 numbers.

In that one game he shot 15 times in 27 minutes. That translates to 20 shots per 36, or one more than Jaylen, who did play 36 in that game.

Your argument is that this will all happen in the future because he is a good guy, coachable, and a leader. I am somewhat less convinced. I submit Marcus Smart as evidence that these types of adjustments are not mandatory.

I do find it concerning that he came back without displaying any insight into how to proceed so far.
But Kemba didn't play 36 minutes in that one game, he played 27. Tatum had 25 shots. Brown had 19 shots. Kemba 15. And the Jays actually had more shots, that didn't count, because they were fouled.

This type of shot distribution between those three are exactly the type of distribution you want.

If you want to complain about someone in that game taking too many shots away from the Jays, the guy you want to focus on isn't Kemba, its Marcus Smart, who took 15 shots.

I also find it strange to make determinative decisions on Kemba taking a lesser role in shot taking based on one whole game. How about waiting 20 or so games for the Jays  and Kemba playing together before deciding Kemba is somehow a bad fit as a third offensive option?

Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2021, 02:28:47 PM »

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This is a ludicrous notion. Pritchard is not a starter. Kemba was an all star last year. All NBA the year before. He’s a starter. He’s a better player. This is crazy talk.

Making the all star team has more to do with individual popularity

Scoring 40 points/putting up stats but losing..... doesn't mean the player knows how to win

Btw you don't know that Pritchard is not a starter.   Not sure how you already came to this conclusion
The guy that won a national championship in college doesn't know how to win!  ::) ::) ::)

Kemba knows how to win. The guy that drafted him and built teams around him didn't know how and still doesn't know how to build a winning team.

Ah yes, that famous loser.

Re: Dragic comes off the bench. How about doing the same with Walker?
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2021, 02:54:10 PM »

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This is a ludicrous notion. Pritchard is not a starter. Kemba was an all star last year. All NBA the year before. He’s a starter. He’s a better player. This is crazy talk.

Making the all star team has more to do with individual popularity

Scoring 40 points/putting up stats but losing..... doesn't mean the player knows how to win

Btw you don't know that Pritchard is not a starter.   Not sure how you already came to this conclusion
The guy that won a national championship in college doesn't know how to win!  ::) ::) ::)

Kemba knows how to win. The guy that drafted him and built teams around him didn't know how and still doesn't know how to build a winning team.

Ah yes, that famous loser.
Playing basketball and building winning basketball teams are two very different things. Michael Jordan was the best ever at one of those things and is currently one of the worst at doing the other. I will let you figure out which is which.

Also, never called MJ a loser, though from reports and his own comments, he is a sore loser. 😋