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For better or worse - time to just enjoy the ride
« on: October 05, 2020, 01:31:35 PM »

Offline PhoSita

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The 2020 Celts ended on a disappointing note.

That shouldn't obscure the fact that what they achieved this season is pretty close to the reasonable best case scenario you could have laid out for them prior to the start of the 2019-2020 season.

The key point is that Jayson Tatum demonstrated that he has the ability to be the focal point of a top 5-10 offense while also playing elite defense.  Jaylen Brown showed that he can be a consistent, efficient secondary scoring option while also playing very good defense.

In other words, the blueprint for contention is here.  The Celts have two very good, still quite young star players who will be under contract for the near future. 

They also have a team leader and culture setter in Marcus Smart, as well as a very good coach in Brad Stevens (even though he isn't perfect).


That places the Celts in a very good position moving forward.  They've done the hardest part of team building, which is put together a core of talent around which a top 5 offense and top 5 defense can be built (i.e. a contender). 

What comes next for Ainge and co. is to figure out how to put in place and maintain the best possible supporting cast.  There's a lot of strategy required there; lots of room for big successes and major failures.  However, the biggest issue has been taken care of: we know what the basic premise of this team is and will be moving forward.


This all occurred to me the other day when I was thinking back on the last half decade or so of Celtics teams.  Even as the Celts were enjoying relative success, there was a lot of uncertainty about what moves Danny might make next.  Jimmy Butler? Kawhi Leonard? Anthony Davis?  What will that Clippers pick turn into?  What about that Grizzlies pick?  For a while we were waiting for the other shoe to drop.

The shoes have dropped.  There's not much reason at this point to speculate about blockbuster trades or franchise altering moves.  We know who the main guys are.  All we can do now is argue about the minor moves, the little things that can nonetheless make or break a title run.

In other words, we're back in a similar spot to where we were in 2009-2012, when the major debates surrounded the best big men that might be available on the buyout market to bolster the depth behind Garnett and Perk.  Sheldon Williams, anyone?  Mikki Moore?  How about giving Sean Williams a try?  He got a lot of blocks in college!


Weirdly I think it's kind of hard, in some respects, to transition to this as a fan.  We can't spend an off season holding our breath about a major free agent signing, or whether Danny is gonna put all of his chips in the center of the table to go after the next big name to want out of his current situation.  Instead, we kind of have to just trust in our guys.


Still: this is exactly where we should want to be.  I don't think the Celtics are ever going to be the favorite to win the title anytime in the next 5 years.  That said, I think they should be in a good position to have a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense in any given year.  That's going to give them a chance to make a deep playoff run every single season.  They, and we, have to hope that in at least one of those years, everything breaks in their favor.  There are no guarantees, but I'm optimistic that they will have a really good chance to win a title at some point.

The short version of all of this is:

We just have to sit back, strap in, and try to enjoy every moment of the ride.


The legend of Tatum and Brown is only just starting to be written.  The legend of Marcus Smart, and the saga of Brad Stevens, are ongoing.  I'm excited to see what happens, even if there's less in the way of fodder for fantastical trade idea threads and less reason to endlessly refresh Twitter on the first day of the free agency moratorium.
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Re: For better or worse - time to just enjoy the ride
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2020, 06:12:47 PM »

Offline gouki88

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It's true, as fans all we can really do, especially at the moment where fans can't really spend much money on the product, is sit back and watch. We can post about what we think the final piece to the puzzle is, whether it's a 7 footer, or shooters off the bench, or firing Brad, or whatever.
The fact of the matter is that no matter what we really post or do, our coaching and front office will do what they think best.

We've got the best young wing duo in the competition, an All-Star point guard, one of, if not the only true DPOY candidate guard (Simmons doesn't count), a borderline All-Star point forward and some good young talent in Williams x2 and Romeo. We're right on the cusp of breaking this league open
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Re: For better or worse - time to just enjoy the ride
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2020, 02:01:54 AM »

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I admit that I have a hard time always enjoying the ride, because certain moments are so maddening—for example, the Heat series was filled with maddening moments. And I get it; you're not telling us to enjoy the team's mistakes and failures, but to enjoy the overall experience of watching a team and become better (and hopefully win titles). Still, it's a challenge for me.
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Re: For better or worse - time to just enjoy the ride
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2020, 08:20:14 AM »

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Great post Phosita.  However, I see a flaw in your logic.
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In other words, the blueprint for contention is here.  ...
...There's not much reason at this point to speculate about blockbuster trades or franchise altering moves.  We know who the main guys are.  All we can do now is argue about the minor moves,
...Still: this is exactly where we should want to be.  I don't think the Celtics are ever going to be the favorite to win the title anytime in the next 5 years.  ...
Especially that last thought:  In my opinion, if they won't be winning a title in the next 5 years, then that the a strong argument for making a blockbuster trade.  I certainly do not want to go through another season with a flawed team that will never quite make it to the top of the mountain.  Whereas I didn't expect a chip this year, I believe you've made a good case that next year ought to be one of VERY high expectations so long a Danny Ainge builds on their best pieces.

It has to be a trade, the team will be strapped once they extend Tatum so free agents that will fill the team's holes will be difficult to sign.

Re: For better or worse - time to just enjoy the ride
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2020, 08:56:30 AM »

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Great post Phosita.  However, I see a flaw in your logic.
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In other words, the blueprint for contention is here.  ...
...There's not much reason at this point to speculate about blockbuster trades or franchise altering moves.  We know who the main guys are.  All we can do now is argue about the minor moves,
...Still: this is exactly where we should want to be.  I don't think the Celtics are ever going to be the favorite to win the title anytime in the next 5 years.  ...
Especially that last thought:  In my opinion, if they won't be winning a title in the next 5 years, then that the a strong argument for making a blockbuster trade.  I certainly do not want to go through another season with a flawed team that will never quite make it to the top of the mountain.  Whereas I didn't expect a chip this year, I believe you've made a good case that next year ought to be one of VERY high expectations so long a Danny Ainge builds on their best pieces.

It has to be a trade, the team will be strapped once they extend Tatum so free agents that will fill the team's holes will be difficult to sign.

I don't think he's necessarily wrong with his point.  Blockbuster trade or not, Danny Ainge cannot control the fact that the best 3-5 players in the league will continue to dictate their landing spot and supporting cast.  The Lakers were grossly mismanaged and missed the playoffs for 5 years in a row.  LeBron then joins for a mediocre first season and then AD falls into their lap.   

My realistic expectation is that the Celtics become a perennial title contender and hopefully break through for a season or two.  I have no illusions of them becoming THE favorite.  It's going to take Tatum becoming a top 5 player for this to happen.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2020, 09:17:47 AM »

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Great post Phosita.  However, I see a flaw in your logic.
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In other words, the blueprint for contention is here.  ...
...There's not much reason at this point to speculate about blockbuster trades or franchise altering moves.  We know who the main guys are.  All we can do now is argue about the minor moves,
...Still: this is exactly where we should want to be.  I don't think the Celtics are ever going to be the favorite to win the title anytime in the next 5 years.  ...
Especially that last thought:  In my opinion, if they won't be winning a title in the next 5 years, then that the a strong argument for making a blockbuster trade.  I certainly do not want to go through another season with a flawed team that will never quite make it to the top of the mountain.  Whereas I didn't expect a chip this year, I believe you've made a good case that next year ought to be one of VERY high expectations so long a Danny Ainge builds on their best pieces.

It has to be a trade, the team will be strapped once they extend Tatum so free agents that will fill the team's holes will be difficult to sign.

I don't think he's necessarily wrong with his point.  Blockbuster trade or not, Danny Ainge cannot control the fact that the best 3-5 players in the league will continue to dictate their landing spot and supporting cast.  The Lakers were grossly mismanaged and missed the playoffs for 5 years in a row.  LeBron then joins for a mediocre first season and then AD falls into their lap.   

My realistic expectation is that the Celtics become a perennial title contender and hopefully break through for a season or two.  I have no illusions of them becoming THE favorite.  It's going to take Tatum becoming a top 5 player for this to happen.

I expect Tatum and Brown to become the best duo in the league next year, and that we win the next title.

I think the key will be Brad and Danny seeing that we have the potential to be overwhelming on defense. We might end up with 3 of the top 10 defenders in the league. We need to shed Kemba, and anyone else that detracts from that.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2020, 10:40:12 AM »

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The fact that you mention Tatum, Brown, and even Smart as the backbone of the team is all we need to know about the state of this franchise. That you don’t even mention Kemba Walker and Gordon Hayward once in your post - two All-Stars - shows this ride is only just beginning.

Keep Theis as the starter. Maybe bring in a vet scorer off the bench and combine the picks for someone ready to contribute now. Give Langford some burn. Unleash the Williams‘. Make Tacko a fixture on the bench (love his attitude). And then BUCKLE UP.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2020, 11:19:40 AM »

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Great post Phosita.  However, I see a flaw in your logic.
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In other words, the blueprint for contention is here.  ...
...There's not much reason at this point to speculate about blockbuster trades or franchise altering moves.  We know who the main guys are.  All we can do now is argue about the minor moves,
...Still: this is exactly where we should want to be.  I don't think the Celtics are ever going to be the favorite to win the title anytime in the next 5 years.  ...
Especially that last thought:  In my opinion, if they won't be winning a title in the next 5 years, then that the a strong argument for making a blockbuster trade.  I certainly do not want to go through another season with a flawed team that will never quite make it to the top of the mountain.  Whereas I didn't expect a chip this year, I believe you've made a good case that next year ought to be one of VERY high expectations so long a Danny Ainge builds on their best pieces.

It has to be a trade, the team will be strapped once they extend Tatum so free agents that will fill the team's holes will be difficult to sign.

You left out the next part of his post, which counters that:
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That said, I think they should be in a good position to have a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense in any given year.  That's going to give them a chance to make a deep playoff run every single season.  They, and we, have to hope that in at least one of those years, everything breaks in their favor.  There are no guarantees, but I'm optimistic that they will have a really good chance to win a title at some point.

We don't have to be favorites to win the title. The Raptors weren't. Nor were the 2016 Cavs, or Mavs in 2011. Heck, even our 2010 team weren't favorites, but we were minutes away from winning.

Being the overwhelming favorite is incredible, but you can still win a title even if you aren't. Putting yourself in the position to be a perennial contender means that you only need a little bit to go your way (injuries to opponents, your star going on a tear, unexpected development by young role players, etc.) in order to win, while continually making massive changes in the hopes that you eventually strike gold almost never works.
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2020, 08:16:39 PM »

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My desire for the C's holding up that gold ball keeps me from totally enjoying the ride. It doesn't help when the Lakers who spent the majority of the past decade being incompetent are about to win another title simply because of one guy's power over the league. Has less to do with the C's and more to do with the way the NBA just is.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2020, 12:58:44 AM »

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I think the C's need to trade their picks for proven quality vets and start winning now. Otherwise, you're just going to keep developing players and then watch them get traded or walk to other teams down the road.


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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2020, 02:58:16 AM »

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I think the C's need to trade their picks for proven quality vets and start winning now. Otherwise, you're just going to keep developing players and then watch them get traded or walk to other teams down the road.
Unless that vet is a fringe All-Star calibre player or better I wouldn't be too hot on doing that, would much prefer us trying to draft another star to complement Tatum and Brown down the road (heck he might be our cornerstone if we get lucky lol).
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