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Gordon Hayward- just what the Coach Ordered
« on: September 01, 2020, 07:28:54 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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You never know what Danny will do but I have grown to seriously become a fan of Haywards game .He makes everyone better His basketball IQ and unhurried style make him a constant threat.
His fit couldn't be better with the core players and Marcus. Hayward is a very complete basketball player and one of the best point forwards in the league.and should mentor Romeo.
Dennis Johnson was one of those smooth Celtics that fit in and made everyone better.
I only hope he doesn't rush that sprain.

Re: Gordon Hayward- just what the Coach Ordered
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2020, 11:05:55 PM »

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hayward’s absence is a significantly underestimated factor in these playoffs. due to his contract and his playoff performances during his final year in utah, c’s fans expected a different player. his injury hasn’t helped in staving off his critics, but we’re now witnessing firsthand the significant and nuanced impact gordon has on this young c’s team.

without gordon, this team is less efficient offensively, frenetic, plagued by far too much one-on-one hero ball, too reliant on the three ball, and doesn’t get to the rim enough. he’s third in APG, only trailing our two point guards, which doesn’t adequately convey the impact he has on offensive efficiency when the offense runs through him. stats aside, when the ball goes through gordon on an offensive possession, the c’s offense is more fluid and efficient, less frenetic, and the team typically gets easier buckets.

gordon is the second leading defensive rebounder, which is an area that too often hurts the c’s in close games. he’s also a better defender than people give him credit. he’s a solid but not standout on-ball defender, and he excels in playing high-IQ, team defense. he’s not at larry’s level but he’s similar in his defensive play, funneling offensive players into the strength of the defense and being an opportunistic off-ball help defender. not easy to notice but it has a major impact. it’s one of the reasons his +/- is usually so high, even when he’s not scoring.

it’s clear from his utah days, gordon has purposefully altered his game for the betterment of the team. he could easily be a top two scorer on this team (he’s fourth) but he’s deferring to the younger guys. his presence and play make jayson and jaylen better, more consistent players. he’s not flashy but his impact is indisputable and critical to this team’s success.

if he hadn’t sprained his ankle, the c’s beat the defending champs 4-0. get well soon, gordo.
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I think we would all love Hayward, but he is essentially sasquatch at this point. Can't blame the guy for being injured so much during his Celtics tenure; but as the saying goes, the best ability is availability, and that has not been Hayward's strongest suit. Even just having a guy like Joe Ingles out there would help with the shot making and play making from the wing position.

An injured Hayward led to the demise of our initial super-team (on the cusp of adding AD) and now the team is unraveling before our eyes w/o our $128M star. If we can get him on a bargain contract this offseason, then great; otherwise, we should probably try to obtain somebody - anybody - who can actually suit up in a Celtics uniform.

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I think we would all love Hayward, but he is essentially sasquatch at this point. Can't blame the guy for being injured so much during his Celtics tenure; but as the saying goes, the best ability is availability, and that has not been Hayward's strongest suit. Even just having a guy like Joe Ingles out there would help with the shot making and play making from the wing position.

An injured Hayward led to the demise of our initial super-team (on the cusp of adding AD) and now the team is unraveling before our eyes w/o our $128M star. If we can get him on a bargain contract this offseason, then great; otherwise, we should probably try to obtain somebody - anybody - who can actually suit up in a Celtics uniform.
Is Brown's contract a rip-off? After all, he's played less than 10 games more than Hayward over the last two years.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2020, 07:39:11 AM »

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We're missing him right now, plain and simple.

We're missing his scoring, facilitating, selflessness, rebounding, shooting, leadership.

His defense isn't great but he TRIES and is no slouch there, either.

His FIT was / is key to BOS.

We need to somehow regroup, catch our breath, get by TOR and GET HAYWARD back.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2020, 07:49:12 AM »

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I think we would all love Hayward, but he is essentially sasquatch at this point. Can't blame the guy for being injured so much during his Celtics tenure; but as the saying goes, the best ability is availability, and that has not been Hayward's strongest suit. Even just having a guy like Joe Ingles out there would help with the shot making and play making from the wing position.

An injured Hayward led to the demise of our initial super-team (on the cusp of adding AD) and now the team is unraveling before our eyes w/o our $128M star. If we can get him on a bargain contract this offseason, then great; otherwise, we should probably try to obtain somebody - anybody - who can actually suit up in a Celtics uniform.
Is Brown's contract a rip-off? After all, he's played less than 10 games more than Hayward over the last two years.

Currently? Of course not. Brown is still on his rookie contract until the end of this season. Danny paid Jaylen for his potential (hence the almost max contract), not the player he was when he signed the contract. Same as Hayward - sometimes it just doesn't work out. Hoping with Jaylen it does.

And I'm not sure why you happened to leave out the fact that Hayward missed 81 regular season and 19 playoff games in 17-18 (as well as all by one 2020 playoff game). As I said, you can't blame the guy for being injured, but not having him available to play in games has been pretty devastating from a cost-production standpoint.

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I think we would all love Hayward, but he is essentially sasquatch at this point. Can't blame the guy for being injured so much during his Celtics tenure; but as the saying goes, the best ability is availability, and that has not been Hayward's strongest suit. Even just having a guy like Joe Ingles out there would help with the shot making and play making from the wing position.

An injured Hayward led to the demise of our initial super-team (on the cusp of adding AD) and now the team is unraveling before our eyes w/o our $128M star. If we can get him on a bargain contract this offseason, then great; otherwise, we should probably try to obtain somebody - anybody - who can actually suit up in a Celtics uniform.
Is Brown's contract a rip-off? After all, he's played less than 10 games more than Hayward over the last two years.

Currently? Of course not. Brown is still on his rookie contract until the end of this season. Danny paid Jaylen for his potential (hence the almost max contract), not the player he was when he signed the contract. Same as Hayward - sometimes it just doesn't work out. Hoping with Jaylen it does.

And I'm not sure why you happened to leave out the fact that Hayward missed 81 regular season and 19 playoff games in 17-18 (as well as all by one 2020 playoff game). As I said, you can't blame the guy for being injured, but not having him available to play in games has been pretty devastating from a cost-production standpoint.
You keep saying you can’t blame him for being injured, yet you routinely bring it up in every thread about him. It sucks, and after that first leg break we were never going to get our moneys worth - why is it worth mentioning still?
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2020, 08:28:12 AM »

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I think we would all love Hayward, but he is essentially sasquatch at this point. Can't blame the guy for being injured so much during his Celtics tenure; but as the saying goes, the best ability is availability, and that has not been Hayward's strongest suit. Even just having a guy like Joe Ingles out there would help with the shot making and play making from the wing position.

An injured Hayward led to the demise of our initial super-team (on the cusp of adding AD) and now the team is unraveling before our eyes w/o our $128M star. If we can get him on a bargain contract this offseason, then great; otherwise, we should probably try to obtain somebody - anybody - who can actually suit up in a Celtics uniform.
Is Brown's contract a rip-off? After all, he's played less than 10 games more than Hayward over the last two years.

Currently? Of course not. Brown is still on his rookie contract until the end of this season. Danny paid Jaylen for his potential (hence the almost max contract), not the player he was when he signed the contract. Same as Hayward - sometimes it just doesn't work out. Hoping with Jaylen it does.

And I'm not sure why you happened to leave out the fact that Hayward missed 81 regular season and 19 playoff games in 17-18 (as well as all by one 2020 playoff game). As I said, you can't blame the guy for being injured, but not having him available to play in games has been pretty devastating from a cost-production standpoint.
You keep saying you can’t blame him for being injured, yet you routinely bring it up in every thread about him. It sucks, and after that first leg break we were never going to get our moneys worth - why is it worth mentioning still?

I don't blame him, but I can be upset with how the situation played out. I wouldn't have had a 2nd response if you didn't make the ridiculous comment about Hayward only missing 10 more regular season games than Brown the last two seasons. What, are you Gordon's dad or something?

Also, if we had a healthy Hayward this post-season and somehow were able to go all the way, then I disagree, we would totally have gotten our money's worth. A title is always worth it.

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The starters went 5-29 (17%) from 3 last night. Having another vet ballhandler who might have been able to create some easy opportunities would've been really nice last night.
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I think we would all love Hayward, but he is essentially sasquatch at this point. Can't blame the guy for being injured so much during his Celtics tenure; but as the saying goes, the best ability is availability, and that has not been Hayward's strongest suit. Even just having a guy like Joe Ingles out there would help with the shot making and play making from the wing position.

An injured Hayward led to the demise of our initial super-team (on the cusp of adding AD) and now the team is unraveling before our eyes w/o our $128M star. If we can get him on a bargain contract this offseason, then great; otherwise, we should probably try to obtain somebody - anybody - who can actually suit up in a Celtics uniform.
Is Brown's contract a rip-off? After all, he's played less than 10 games more than Hayward over the last two years.

Currently? Of course not. Brown is still on his rookie contract until the end of this season. Danny paid Jaylen for his potential (hence the almost max contract), not the player he was when he signed the contract. Same as Hayward - sometimes it just doesn't work out. Hoping with Jaylen it does.

And I'm not sure why you happened to leave out the fact that Hayward missed 81 regular season and 19 playoff games in 17-18 (as well as all by one 2020 playoff game). As I said, you can't blame the guy for being injured, but not having him available to play in games has been pretty devastating from a cost-production standpoint.
You keep saying you can’t blame him for being injured, yet you routinely bring it up in every thread about him. It sucks, and after that first leg break we were never going to get our moneys worth - why is it worth mentioning still?

I don't blame him, but I can be upset with how the situation played out. I wouldn't have had a 2nd response if you didn't make the ridiculous comment about Hayward only missing 10 more regular season games than Brown the last two seasons. What, are you Gordon's dad or something?

Also, if we had a healthy Hayward this post-season and somehow were able to go all the way, then I disagree, we would totally have gotten our money's worth. A title is always worth it.
That can still happen ;)
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