Some thoughts about D'Angelo Russell

[LarBrd33]

Before you instant-dismiss this, hear me out. I want to brainstorm this with my fellow Celtic fans.

I've seen fans mention Boston going after D'Angelo Russell if Kyrie leaves. My instant reaction to it is that it makes no sense whatsoever. On the surface, there seems to be no incentive for Brooklyn to do a sign-and-trade for Kyrie when they can just sign him outright.

I've been giving this some thought, though. I haven't seen anyone mention this possibility...

If the Chernobyl-level smoke about Kyrie going to Brooklyn proves true, is there any incentive for Boston to help the Nets get Anthony Davis?

I was listening to a recent Bill Simmons podcast and they were speculating that Brooklyn could somehow do a sign-and-trade of Russell to a team like the Suns for the #6 pick - and then try to re-route the #6 pick, Spencer Dinwiddle, Jarret Allen, Caris LeVert as a package for Anthony Davis...

It made me wonder if there is any logic to Boston trying to acquire Russell. For instance, a double sign-and-trade where we send Kyrie to the Nets, the Nets send Russell to the Celtics (fairly complicated, but I believe salary matching would work out) - and in return for Russell we give up assets like #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick that the Nets can then re-route in their package offer for Davis.

To be clear, we wouldn't really be trading Kyrie for Russell. This is assuming Kyrie is gone. Ultimately, we'd be giving up assets to Brooklyn for Russell and using the Kyrie contract situation as a way to acquire Russell without giving up 30 million in salary.

So no, definitely doesn't make any sense whatsoever for Brooklyn to gift us Russell when they can just match any offer he gets on the open market... but... if it's mutually beneficial and helps the Nets get Kyrie + Davis + cap space to sign a 3rd star... maybe there's some plausibility to this idea?

[liam]

Before you instant-dismiss this, hear me out. I want to brainstorm this with my fellow Celtic fans.

I've seen fans mention Boston going after D'Angelo Russell if Kyrie leaves. My instant reaction to it is that it makes no sense whatsoever. On the surface, there seems to be no incentive for Brooklyn to do a sign-and-trade for Kyrie when they can just sign him outright.

I've been giving this some thought, though. I haven't seen anyone mention this possibility...

If the Chernobyl-level smoke about Kyrie going to Brooklyn proves true, is there any incentive for Boston to help the Nets get Anthony Davis?

I was listening to a recent Bill Simmons podcast and they were speculating that Brooklyn could somehow do a sign-and-trade of Russell to a team like the Suns for the #6 pick - and then try to re-route the #6 pick, Spencer Dinwiddle, Jarret Allen, Caris LeVert as a package for Anthony Davis...

It made me wonder if there is any logic to Boston trying to acquire Russell. For instance, a double sign-and-trade where we send Kyrie to the Nets, the Nets send Russell to the Celtics (fairly complicated, but I believe salary matching would work out) - and in return for Russell we give up assets like #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick that the Nets can then re-route in their package offer for Davis.

To be clear, we wouldn't really be trading Kyrie for Russell. This is assuming Kyrie is gone. Ultimately, we'd be giving up assets to Brooklyn for Russell and using the Kyrie contract situation as a way to acquire Russell without giving up 30 million in salary.

So no, definitely doesn't make any sense whatsoever for Brooklyn to gift us Russell when they can just match any offer he gets on the open market... but... if it's mutually beneficial and helps the Nets get Kyrie + Davis + cap space to sign a 3rd star... maybe there's some plausibility to this idea?

I would think That The Pelicans would be interested in Russell. He's a young all star.

[gouki88]

As Liam said, I think New Orleans would maybe want D-Lo.

However, you can bet Ainge would be willing to be a 3rd party to help out and in the process try and rip off one of the teams involved.

[LarBrd33]

Before you instant-dismiss this, hear me out. I want to brainstorm this with my fellow Celtic fans.

I've seen fans mention Boston going after D'Angelo Russell if Kyrie leaves. My instant reaction to it is that it makes no sense whatsoever. On the surface, there seems to be no incentive for Brooklyn to do a sign-and-trade for Kyrie when they can just sign him outright.

I've been giving this some thought, though. I haven't seen anyone mention this possibility...

If the Chernobyl-level smoke about Kyrie going to Brooklyn proves true, is there any incentive for Boston to help the Nets get Anthony Davis?

I was listening to a recent Bill Simmons podcast and they were speculating that Brooklyn could somehow do a sign-and-trade of Russell to a team like the Suns for the #6 pick - and then try to re-route the #6 pick, Spencer Dinwiddle, Jarret Allen, Caris LeVert as a package for Anthony Davis...

It made me wonder if there is any logic to Boston trying to acquire Russell. For instance, a double sign-and-trade where we send Kyrie to the Nets, the Nets send Russell to the Celtics (fairly complicated, but I believe salary matching would work out) - and in return for Russell we give up assets like #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick that the Nets can then re-route in their package offer for Davis.

To be clear, we wouldn't really be trading Kyrie for Russell. This is assuming Kyrie is gone. Ultimately, we'd be giving up assets to Brooklyn for Russell and using the Kyrie contract situation as a way to acquire Russell without giving up 30 million in salary.

So no, definitely doesn't make any sense whatsoever for Brooklyn to gift us Russell when they can just match any offer he gets on the open market... but... if it's mutually beneficial and helps the Nets get Kyrie + Davis + cap space to sign a 3rd star... maybe there's some plausibility to this idea?

I would think That The Pelicans would be interested in Russell. He's a young all star.

Possibly true... though they already have Jrue Holiday. 

I'm just saying... if there's a way Boston can make the most of a bad situation and somehow re-route assets for Russell (utilizing the Kyrie sign-and-trade as a way to salary match a player we otherwise couldn't get without sending out 30 mil in current contracts), there may be logic to this.

[RodyTur10]

@LarBrd33: so we're giving up #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick just to sign Russell?

And in the process helping the Nets, who don't give up anything to us for our services?

That's ridiculous. I really suspect you of trolling. (I admit that I'm sometimes enclined to do that)

[footey]

Before you instant-dismiss this, hear me out. I want to brainstorm this with my fellow Celtic fans.

I've seen fans mention Boston going after D'Angelo Russell if Kyrie leaves. My instant reaction to it is that it makes no sense whatsoever. On the surface, there seems to be no incentive for Brooklyn to do a sign-and-trade for Kyrie when they can just sign him outright.

I've been giving this some thought, though. I haven't seen anyone mention this possibility...

If the Chernobyl-level smoke about Kyrie going to Brooklyn proves true, is there any incentive for Boston to help the Nets get Anthony Davis?

I was listening to a recent Bill Simmons podcast and they were speculating that Brooklyn could somehow do a sign-and-trade of Russell to a team like the Suns for the #6 pick - and then try to re-route the #6 pick, Spencer Dinwiddle, Jarret Allen, Caris LeVert as a package for Anthony Davis...

It made me wonder if there is any logic to Boston trying to acquire Russell. For instance, a double sign-and-trade where we send Kyrie to the Nets, the Nets send Russell to the Celtics (fairly complicated, but I believe salary matching would work out) - and in return for Russell we give up assets like #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick that the Nets can then re-route in their package offer for Davis.

To be clear, we wouldn't really be trading Kyrie for Russell. This is assuming Kyrie is gone. Ultimately, we'd be giving up assets to Brooklyn for Russell and using the Kyrie contract situation as a way to acquire Russell without giving up 30 million in salary.

So no, definitely doesn't make any sense whatsoever for Brooklyn to gift us Russell when they can just match any offer he gets on the open market... but... if it's mutually beneficial and helps the Nets get Kyrie + Davis + cap space to sign a 3rd star... maybe there's some plausibility to this idea?

Understand attempt to get value.

2 problems: we turn Nets into power house; and Russell probably doesn’t fit our offense, kind of a more talented Rozier.

[jambr380]

I've mentioned this a couple of times. Basically, Irving would count as $20.1M in outgoing salary and Russell would count as $27.5M in incoming salary, so it is totally doable with Yabu/picks/whatever.

I based it on the premise that the Nets wanted to sign another big time FA (apparently there is mutual interest with T. Harris). If that's the case, the Nets would be unable to match an offer sheet for Russell and would lose him for nothing.

I only had us giving up a couple of picks, though - NOT the MEM pick. I think the Nets might be interested because they could either pick up a couple of 1sts or lose him for absolutely nothing. No other team can offer them this since we have the S&T option with Irving.

Your idea is interesting, but I don't think I can get behind giving up 4 1st round picks and being the reason BKN acquires AD. In fact, we would still have the assets to acquire AD and still have young All-Star PG.

Not likely, I know, but we are in desperation mode here - it basically sux to lose Irving for nothing...but Boston fans have spoken and they only want certain young perennial All-Stars representing their city and Irving apparently doesn't fit that mold.

[PAOBoston]

I don’t think you need to have an all star pg to win. Smart is more than adequate to run with that role. I think more important is shoring up the front court and figuring out the glut with the wings in Tatum/Brown/Hayward.

[mr. dee]

Not high on him. But for the right price, I would take him. The Jays and Smart should be off limits for Russell.

[LarBrd33]

@LarBrd33: so we're giving up #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick just to sign Russell?

And in the process helping the Nets, who don't give up anything to us for our services?

That's ridiculous. I really suspect you of trolling. (I admit that I'm sometimes enclined to do that)

well three of those picks are trash.

You wouldn’t give up the Memphis pick for an all-star point guard?   That Memphis pick could end up late lotto like the kings pick did.

And yes this turns the nets into a powerhouse but that’s not relevant. Boston isn’t contending in the next 5 years.  It would be like when we helped the cavs bring back leBron or when we helped the pistons add Rasheed Wallace.  Doesn’t have anything to do with us.  The teams we should be concerned with are the Magic and pistons ... the one we will be fighting for an 8th seed with.

[mr. dee]

@LarBrd33: so we're giving up #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick just to sign Russell?

And in the process helping the Nets, who don't give up anything to us for our services?

That's ridiculous. I really suspect you of trolling. (I admit that I'm sometimes enclined to do that)

well three of those picks are trash.

You wouldn’t give up the Memphis pick for an all-star point guard?   That Memphis pick could end up late lotto like the kings pick did.

And yes this turns the nets into a powerhouse but that’s not relevant. Boston isn’t contending in the next 5 years.  It would be like when we helped the cavs bring back leBron or when we helped the pistons add Rasheed Wallace.  Doesn’t have anything to do with us.  The teams we should be concerned with are the Magic and pistons ... the one we will be fighting for an 8th seed with.

Kawhi, Siakam and Lowry weren't exactly trash.

[LarBrd33]

@LarBrd33: so we're giving up #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick just to sign Russell?

And in the process helping the Nets, who don't give up anything to us for our services?

That's ridiculous. I really suspect you of trolling. (I admit that I'm sometimes enclined to do that)

well three of those picks are trash.

You wouldn’t give up the Memphis pick for an all-star point guard?   That Memphis pick could end up late lotto like the kings pick did.

And yes this turns the nets into a powerhouse but that’s not relevant. Boston isn’t contending in the next 5 years.  It would be like when we helped the cavs bring back leBron or when we helped the pistons add Rasheed Wallace.  Doesn’t have anything to do with us.  The teams we should be concerned with are the Magic and pistons ... the one we will be fighting for an 8th seed with.

Kawhi, Siakam and Lowry weren't exactly trash.

i see those picks as james young, rj hunter and Jordan Mickey

[tazzmaniac]

@LarBrd33: so we're giving up #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick just to sign Russell?

And in the process helping the Nets, who don't give up anything to us for our services?

That's ridiculous. I really suspect you of trolling. (I admit that I'm sometimes enclined to do that)

well three of those picks are trash.

You wouldn’t give up the Memphis pick for an all-star point guard?   That Memphis pick could end up late lotto like the kings pick did.

And yes this turns the nets into a powerhouse but that’s not relevant. Boston isn’t contending in the next 5 years.  It would be like when we helped the cavs bring back leBron or when we helped the pistons add Rasheed Wallace.  Doesn’t have anything to do with us.  The teams we should be concerned with are the Magic and pistons ... the one we will be fighting for an 8th seed with.

Kawhi, Siakam and Lowry weren't exactly trash.

i see those picks as james young, rj hunter and Jordan Mickey

The picks aren't trash.  More picks mean more opportunities for success.  Russell is an all-star because of the weak East.  The problem with getting Russell is you'll have to pay him Max but he's unlikely to be worth it. 

[mr. dee]

@LarBrd33: so we're giving up #14, #20, #22 and the Memphis pick just to sign Russell?

And in the process helping the Nets, who don't give up anything to us for our services?

That's ridiculous. I really suspect you of trolling. (I admit that I'm sometimes enclined to do that)

well three of those picks are trash.

You wouldn’t give up the Memphis pick for an all-star point guard?   That Memphis pick could end up late lotto like the kings pick did.

And yes this turns the nets into a powerhouse but that’s not relevant. Boston isn’t contending in the next 5 years.  It would be like when we helped the cavs bring back leBron or when we helped the pistons add Rasheed Wallace.  Doesn’t have anything to do with us.  The teams we should be concerned with are the Magic and pistons ... the one we will be fighting for an 8th seed with.

Kawhi, Siakam and Lowry weren't exactly trash.

i see those picks as james young, rj hunter and Jordan Mickey

The picks aren't trash.  More picks mean more opportunities for success.  Russell is an all-star because of the weak East.  The problem with getting Russell is you'll have to pay him Max but he's unlikely to be worth it.

Exactly. All picks still have value, nonetheless. It's like having a lottery ticket. The more you have, the better chances of hitting something. Glass is always half-empty, half-full. Low odds is still better than no odds. You'd have to take risk either way since buying talent doesn't guarantee championship.

[Moranis]

Why would we make the Nets the best team in the conference and presumably that way for the next 5 years?  I mean I'd get the logic more if Davis and Irving were 30+ and only had a short window left, but they aren't.  They are both still pretty young.  Boston wouldn't realistically contend with its current group at all, so what is the point?