How Boston can get AD and KD in Summer 2019

[Boise To Boston]

1) Trade Hayward, Tatum, and Picks to NO for E'Twuan Moore
2) Let Kyrie walk
3) Let Morris walk
4) Let Rozier walk
5) Have Al either opt-out and walk or opt-out and re-sign for 4 yrs $60m
6) Use their newly created max slot for KD

Smart
Brown
Ojeleye???
KD
AD

The runway is there.  Lot of crosswind to navigate though.  Unlikely, but not impossible.

[Boise To Boston]

FYI this is what made me think of this scenario.  Pelicans asking for an All Star, Future All Star, and two firsts. 
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/the-pelicans-have-reportedly-set-the-asking-price-for-anthony-davis-174943185.html

[RazzelnoDazzel]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.celticsblog.com/platform/amp/2019/5/23/18637145/how-the-celtics-summer-could-go-the-dreaming-big-option-nba-free-agency-kyrie-irving-kevin-durant

[nickagneta]

No...impossible.

You can not force Horford to do anything. If he opts in, he is here next year at $30 million. And no cap space.

If he decides to stay, he isn't opting out to a 4 year $60 million deal. If he opted in he gets $30 million, so basically he is signing a 3 year $10 million a year extension. That isn't happening. A renegotiated contract for Horford is most likely a 3 year $60 million deal or a 4 year $70-72 million a year deal. Even so, no matter what you do, even your deal, Horford at $15 million still doesn't open max cap space to sign Durant.

In the Durant/Moore for Hayward and Tatum, you really are not opening up much cap space, none if Davis doesn't waive his trade kicker. So as long as Horford is on the team, doesn't matter who's cap holds you renounce, there isn't $38.15 million to sign Durant.

Only if Horford opts out and walks, you renounce everyone, you do your trade and Davis waives his no trade clause do you approach being able to give Durant the max.

Here is the thing? How are you convincing Durant to sign here given it's not NY, LA of SF? Why does he sign when really the only thing linking him to Boston was his great friend Kyrie that just left Boston?

This scenario is logically impossible. Technically, it could happen, but technically a meteor could hit the Earth tomorrow and end humanity, I could hit Powerball and President Trump could be revealed to be having an affair with Nancy Pelosi, but I wouldn't count on it happening

[Boise To Boston]

You make great points!  Consider a few things though.

Horford - his calculus is going to be really simple.  How can I maximize the money I make before I retire?  If he stays on a one year deal with boston for $30m, can he get MORE than 2/3 years for $30m then next year?  If so he should opt in.  If he can't, and Boston said "We'll give you 4 for $60m," then his total money is better opting in, and Boston creates a lot of cap space.  So you're right - you can't force him to day anything.  But you can entice him to help you create the cap space.

You're also right - Saving $15m on Horford doesn't create the Max cap space you would need for KD.  But trading away Hayward with Tatum and letting Kyrie and a few other go DOES create the max slot.  Like I said - the runway is there.  And yeah, you'd probably have to package Moore with a pick to get off that $8m, but it's doable.

Obviously if KD just wants to be in the biggest market he can, then Boston doesn't have a shot.  It seems to me though the things he values most are (1) playing good team basketball, and (2) his legacy.  He wants to be Batman on a championship team, and in Golden State he will never eclipse Curry.  I think Boston offers him the opportunity to hit on both of those things. Now if the calculus is different ie he wants to play in a bigger market or play with his buddies, then yeah, it's impossible.  I just don't know where KD has said "I want to play in NY or LA with my buddies."

Don't forget too - Boston was in the running last time when he left OKC - they were his third choice after GS and OKC.  He likes Stevens and Ainge.  Kyrie is NOT the only thing linking him to Boston.  You make great points, but I disagree that him signing in Boston is akin to a meteor hitting the earth.  I'd put the odds well under 50% but it's not "logically impossible."

Major kudos for getting us all to imagine Pelosi and Trump in the sack together too by the way.  And man, I hope you do hit the Powerball 

No...impossible.

You can not force Horford to do anything. If he opts in, he is here next year at $30 million. And no cap space.

If he decides to stay, he isn't opting out to a 4 year $60 million deal. If he opted in he gets $30 million, so basically he is signing a 3 year $10 million a year extension. That isn't happening. A renegotiated contract for Horford is most likely a 3 year $60 million deal or a 4 year $70-72 million a year deal. Even so, no matter what you do, even your deal, Horford at $15 million still doesn't open max cap space to sign Durant.

In the Durant/Moore for Hayward and Tatum, you really are not opening up much cap space, none if Davis doesn't waive his trade kicker. So as long as Horford is on the team, doesn't matter who's cap holds you renounce, there isn't $38.15 million to sign Durant.

Only if Horford opts out and walks, you renounce everyone, you do your trade and Davis waives his no trade clause do you approach being able to give Durant the max.

Here is the thing? How are you convincing Durant to sign here given it's not NY, LA of SF? Why does he sign when really the only thing linking him to Boston was his great friend Kyrie that just left Boston?

This scenario is logically impossible. Technically, it could happen, but technically a meteor could hit the Earth tomorrow and end humanity, I could hit Powerball and President Trump could be revealed to be having an affair with Nancy Pelosi, but I wouldn't count on it happening

[nickagneta]

You make great points!  Consider a few things though.

Horford - his calculus is going to be really simple.  How can I maximize the money I make before I retire?  If he stays on a one year deal with boston for $30m, can he get MORE than 2/3 years for $30m then next year?  If so he should opt in.  If he can't, and Boston said "We'll give you 4 for $60m," then his total money is better opting in, and Boston creates a lot of cap space.  So you're right - you can't force him to day anything.  But you can entice him to help you create the cap space.

You're also right - Saving $15m on Horford doesn't create the Max cap space you would need for KD.  But trading away Hayward with Tatum and letting Kyrie and a few other go DOES create the max slot.  Like I said - the runway is there.  And yeah, you'd probably have to package Moore with a pick to get off that $8m, but it's doable.

Obviously if KD just wants to be in the biggest market he can, then Boston doesn't have a shot.  It seems to me though the things he values most are (1) playing good team basketball, and (2) his legacy.  He wants to be Batman on a championship team, and in Golden State he will never eclipse Curry.  I think Boston offers him the opportunity to hit on both of those things. Now if the calculus is different ie he wants to play in a bigger market or play with his buddies, then yeah, it's impossible.  I just don't know where KD has said "I want to play in NY or LA with my buddies."

Don't forget too - Boston was in the running last time when he left OKC - they were his third choice after GS and OKC.  He likes Stevens and Ainge.  Kyrie is NOT the only thing linking him to Boston.  You make great points, but I disagree that him signing in Boston is akin to a meteor hitting the earth.  I'd put the odds well under 50% but it's not "logically impossible."

Major kudos for getting us all to imagine Pelosi and Trump in the sack together too by the way.  And man, I hope you do hit the Powerball 

No...impossible.

You can not force Horford to do anything. If he opts in, he is here next year at $30 million. And no cap space.

If he decides to stay, he isn't opting out to a 4 year $60 million deal. If he opted in he gets $30 million, so basically he is signing a 3 year $10 million a year extension. That isn't happening. A renegotiated contract for Horford is most likely a 3 year $60 million deal or a 4 year $70-72 million a year deal. Even so, no matter what you do, even your deal, Horford at $15 million still doesn't open max cap space to sign Durant.

In the Durant/Moore for Hayward and Tatum, you really are not opening up much cap space, none if Davis doesn't waive his trade kicker. So as long as Horford is on the team, doesn't matter who's cap holds you renounce, there isn't $38.15 million to sign Durant.

Only if Horford opts out and walks, you renounce everyone, you do your trade and Davis waives his no trade clause do you approach being able to give Durant the max.

Here is the thing? How are you convincing Durant to sign here given it's not NY, LA of SF? Why does he sign when really the only thing linking him to Boston was his great friend Kyrie that just left Boston?

This scenario is logically impossible. Technically, it could happen, but technically a meteor could hit the Earth tomorrow and end humanity, I could hit Powerball and President Trump could be revealed to be having an affair with Nancy Pelosi, but I wouldn't count on it happening

The above highlighted statement is patently false. I suggest going to this site and reading up on the CBA and how cap space really works:

www.cbafaq.com

[Boise To Boston]

Cap is $109m
AD + $15m Al + Smart + Brown + Yabu + Williams + Semi = $67m

Even with cap holds for minimum contracts to fill out the roster that creates a max slot for KD.

Thanks for arguing though!  You bring lots of fantastic ideas to the forum.

You make great points!  Consider a few things though.

Horford - his calculus is going to be really simple.  How can I maximize the money I make before I retire?  If he stays on a one year deal with boston for $30m, can he get MORE than 2/3 years for $30m then next year?  If so he should opt in.  If he can't, and Boston said "We'll give you 4 for $60m," then his total money is better opting in, and Boston creates a lot of cap space.  So you're right - you can't force him to day anything.  But you can entice him to help you create the cap space.

You're also right - Saving $15m on Horford doesn't create the Max cap space you would need for KD.  But trading away Hayward with Tatum and letting Kyrie and a few other go DOES create the max slot.  Like I said - the runway is there.  And yeah, you'd probably have to package Moore with a pick to get off that $8m, but it's doable.

Obviously if KD just wants to be in the biggest market he can, then Boston doesn't have a shot.  It seems to me though the things he values most are (1) playing good team basketball, and (2) his legacy.  He wants to be Batman on a championship team, and in Golden State he will never eclipse Curry.  I think Boston offers him the opportunity to hit on both of those things. Now if the calculus is different ie he wants to play in a bigger market or play with his buddies, then yeah, it's impossible.  I just don't know where KD has said "I want to play in NY or LA with my buddies."

Don't forget too - Boston was in the running last time when he left OKC - they were his third choice after GS and OKC.  He likes Stevens and Ainge.  Kyrie is NOT the only thing linking him to Boston.  You make great points, but I disagree that him signing in Boston is akin to a meteor hitting the earth.  I'd put the odds well under 50% but it's not "logically impossible."

Major kudos for getting us all to imagine Pelosi and Trump in the sack together too by the way.  And man, I hope you do hit the Powerball 

No...impossible.

You can not force Horford to do anything. If he opts in, he is here next year at $30 million. And no cap space.

If he decides to stay, he isn't opting out to a 4 year $60 million deal. If he opted in he gets $30 million, so basically he is signing a 3 year $10 million a year extension. That isn't happening. A renegotiated contract for Horford is most likely a 3 year $60 million deal or a 4 year $70-72 million a year deal. Even so, no matter what you do, even your deal, Horford at $15 million still doesn't open max cap space to sign Durant.

In the Durant/Moore for Hayward and Tatum, you really are not opening up much cap space, none if Davis doesn't waive his trade kicker. So as long as Horford is on the team, doesn't matter who's cap holds you renounce, there isn't $38.15 million to sign Durant.

Only if Horford opts out and walks, you renounce everyone, you do your trade and Davis waives his no trade clause do you approach being able to give Durant the max.

Here is the thing? How are you convincing Durant to sign here given it's not NY, LA of SF? Why does he sign when really the only thing linking him to Boston was his great friend Kyrie that just left Boston?

This scenario is logically impossible. Technically, it could happen, but technically a meteor could hit the Earth tomorrow and end humanity, I could hit Powerball and President Trump could be revealed to be having an affair with Nancy Pelosi, but I wouldn't count on it happening

The above highlighted statement is patently false. I suggest going to this site and reading up on the CBA and how cap space really works:

www.cbafaq.com

[Celtics4ever]

This is completely unrealistic perhaps play less NBA LIVE or 2K so you have more nuanced and realistic idea of trades.

[ObjectivityOverBias]

Hey, maybe CHA can pull of that deal too, or even my Cavs. We can all dream can't we? Nice pipe dream buddy.

KD & AD are good friends with Kyrie. The only reason they would join Boston is due to Kyrie. Once Kyrie walks, the superstar era is all over in Boston.

We are at the point of insanity. The writing is on the wall for Kyrie, so Boston fans are throwing darts. Celtic's best bet is building through the draft, making Tatum & Jaylen your "Core."

Even then, you are not winning anything without at least 2 superstars. Unless you get lucky like TOR and play an injure riddled team.

You had one superstar, one piece to the puzzle, then you proceed to run him outta town. Pretty sure superstars  are lining up to play for Boston. I am sure Kyrie is saying how nice his time was in Brad's system which is not superstar friendly. KD would love to hear how much better BOS is without him, because he didn't hear that enough in GS..

[ETNCeltics]

1) Trade Hayward, Tatum, and Picks to NO for E'Twuan Moore
2) Let Kyrie walk
3) Let Morris walk
4) Let Rozier walk
5) Have Al either opt-out and walk or opt-out and re-sign for 4 yrs $60m
6) Use their newly created max slot for KD

Smart
Brown
Ojeleye???
KD
AD

The runway is there.  Lot of crosswind to navigate though.  Unlikely, but not impossible.

No, it's impossible.

[nickagneta]

You really should read up more.

First, you seem to have forgotten E'Twaun Moore was include in your scenario. And you forgot that the Celtics can't control whether Baynes opts in or not.

Davis $27.1 million
Moore $8.5 million
Horford $15 million(absolutely will not happen)
Smart $12.5 million
Brown $6.8 million
Baynes $5.4 million
Yabusele $3.1 million
Semi $1.6 million
Williams $1.9 million
3 empty roster slots $2.7 million.

That's $84.6 million and that means trading away all the draft picks and renouncing Irving, Rozier, Morris, Theis, and Wanamaker.

$24.4 million in cap space doesn't get you Durant.

[Tr1boy]

1) Trade Hayward, Tatum, and Picks to NO for E'Twuan Moore
2) Let Kyrie walk
3) Let Morris walk
4) Let Rozier walk
5) Have Al either opt-out and walk or opt-out and re-sign for 4 yrs $60m
6) Use their newly created max slot for KD

Smart
Brown
Ojeleye???
KD
AD

The runway is there.  Lot of crosswind to navigate though.  Unlikely, but not impossible.

no offense but are you in denial?

Kyrie has probably bad mouthed to both about playing for the Celtics

plus KD already rejected a chance to join the Celtics (FA) and AD wants to play for nowhere other than the Lakers (per rumors)

[tazzmaniac]

You really should read up more.

First, you seem to have forgotten E'Twaun Moore was include in your scenario. And you forgot that the Celtics can't control whether Baynes opts in or not.

Davis $27.1 million
Moore $8.5 million
Horford $15 million(absolutely will not happen)
Smart $12.5 million
Brown $6.8 million
Baynes $5.4 million
Yabusele $3.1 million
Semi $1.6 million
Williams $1.9 million
3 empty roster slots $2.7 million.

That's $84.6 million and that means trading away all the draft picks and renouncing Irving, Rozier, Morris, Theis, and Wanamaker.

$24.4 million in cap space doesn't get you Durant.

Even if you replace Moore and Baynes with empty roster spots that only gets it to 36.5M in cap space and KD's Max is over 38M.