Celtics may be targeting Clint Capela in trade.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Some of y’all just need to work on your team building strategies. They just aren’t any good. If your target is Capela, for this roster then you really need to get back to the drawing board. Y’all make it seem like we are getting him for free. An asset has to go out for him, so who you giving up? Smart? Rozier? Then whose running your PG? Hayward? Then whose your shooter? Horford? Then whose stopping Embiid and Gannis? Like y’all aren’t making logical sense or are not really watching Capela play...

lol you're lecturing people after saying Williams - a guy who has never played meaningful minutes nor proved he can even stick in the nba - was comparable to a guy who has averaged 17/13 and is one of the league's better shot blockers.

*sigh*

I’m going to shorty try and dumb this down a littler further. Before I can I need you to understand that teams/coaches have “systems” or philosophies on how they want to run their team. I’m not digging any deeper than this, just understand that.

Next I need you to understand in the Rockets system (current constructed) they rely heavy on James Harden scoring. Now Harden can score all by himself. He can dribble and create his own bucket or the rockets can run something called a Pick and Roll. With this play a big guy has to come and set a screen for Harden, with the objective to get Harden open. If said player sets a screen and the opposing player stay guarding you (the screener) Then you have successfully gotten Harden open, but still crash the paint Incase Harden misses.

Now if you come and set the screen and your man steps up and guards Harden, now your job is to crash the lane. Either you will be wide open or a small guy will be switched on to you.

Capelas job is to set a screen and roll to the basket, NO MATTER WHAT. In other words Capelas job is so easy a caveman can do it WITH THIS ROCKETS SYSTEM.

So yes you can plug in someone with little experience (Williams 3) and ONLY teach him to screen and roll to the basket and he will be exactly what Capela is.

This system only works because Harden is sooo good that teams have to leave the screen setter open because Harden is way more of a threat. A 2 is better to give away than a 3.

Your question:
If it’s so easy why aren’t other teams doing it.

Answer: because they don’t have Harden, and this is also extremely easy to stop if the ballhandler is not really really good.

Your question:
So if it’s so easy then why pay Capela all that money?

Answer:
Bigs and teams know that have a center who can’t shoot/score cripples their offence. All teams have to do is pack the paint and if the ballhandler cannot shoot extremely well, they will still be forced to shoot because the paint is clogged with defenders (why protect the perimeter if the players can’t shoot?).

With that being known bigs are now learning to stretch the floor. When the screen comes a defender HAS to stay on the screener because he’s as big as a threat to hit a 3 as much as the ballhandler. 

I hope this clears things up, if not...🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m not explaining basic basketball to you guys anymore lol.

Gee, that sounds like Bill Russell.  He really crippled the Celtics offense. To the contrary, he made it better by defending the paint and getting the ball.  You do have to get the ball to score. Basic basketball.

*sigh*

Did you really just mention Bill Russell as if he had to deal with centers who stretched out the floor? As if the defensive schemes were as complex as they are now? What would happen if Russell stood in the paint in this day in age against Kevin Love? Like cmon do you guys actually think these things through at all? There is legit a reason why there aren’t many bigs who can’t shoot in the league now! 🙄 I’m done y’all won again 😂

[GreenShooter]

I feel like I'm in crazy land. Are people really trying to say that someone who hasn't even proved that he can be an NBA player yet is better than a great starter on a great team. Give me a break lol.

Capela is a great starter? Ok y’all win, I’m done with this convo.

You sound like Kyrie when he said "I plan on re-signing here, if ya'll will have me" only to keep fighting the fight. It didn't work out too well did it? You should have kept to your word, Razzel. Just sayin'. You can't win this fight until we all see what happens with the TimeLord and his progression. I do hope he becomes better than Capela but I wouldn't be so SURE.
Edit: I quoted this from page 3 of this thread lol. Leave Razz alone you bullies

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I feel like I'm in crazy land. Are people really trying to say that someone who hasn't even proved that he can be an NBA player yet is better than a great starter on a great team. Give me a break lol.

Capela is a great starter? Ok y’all win, I’m done with this convo.

You sound like Kyrie when he said "I plan on re-signing here, if ya'll will have me" only to keep fighting the fight. It didn't work out too well did it? You should have kept to your word, Razzel. Just sayin'. You can't win this fight until we all see what happens with the TimeLord and his progression. I do hope he becomes better than Capela but I wouldn't be so SURE.
Edit: I quoted this from page 3 of this thread lol. Leave Razz alone you bullies

You my friend are correct.

[Vermont Green]

Maybe New Orleans likes Capela and Boston is targeting him to improve our package via a three way trade.  Capela to Boston does not excite me so much.  I am fine with him, just not that excited and can't really see a framework for a trade

[Celtics4ever]

Did you really just mention Bill Russell as if he had to deal with centers who stretched out the floor? As if the defensive schemes were as complex as they are now? What would happen if Russell stood in the paint in this day in age against Kevin Love? Like cmon do you guys actually think these things through at all? There is legit a reason why there aren’t many bigs who can’t shoot in the league now! 🙄 I’m done y’all won again

Bill Russell would have ate Kevin Love alive.   He had the length, is a way better athlete.  He is also the most mentally tough athlete to play the game and won at every level.  Kevin Love would be crying for mommy after Russell swooped in from now where and blocked his shot to start the break.   Russell was the quickest man on a team of Hall of famers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc

and this

Bill Russell
A search of the archives uncovered this Associated Press story from February 1956 about the eventual Boston Celtics' legend when he was playing at the University of San Francisco. "My heart is set on the Olympics," Russell said. "I think I have a good chance of making the basketball squad, and I'd like to make the track and field team as well. ... I think I might be able to make it in the 400-meter hurdles. I've run the 440 in 49.6. That's not fast, but with some practice I could cut two seconds off that time -- easily. I've run the hurdles once or twice. I've got a good stride and good stamina."

Years later, when he was named Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year in 1968 for his work as the Celtics' player/coach, Russell told writer George Plimpton he only fiddled with track at USF because the team's button-down sweater was sharper than what basketball offered.

"He's a fantastic athlete," teammate John Havlicek said then. "He could have been the decathlon champion. He could broad-jump 24 feet. He did the hurdles in 13.4. I've seen him in plays on a basketball court when he not only blocks a shot but controls the ball and feeds it to his forwards, and then he's up at the other end of the court trailing the fast break and if there's a rebound there he is, ready for it. He just might be the fastest man on the Celtics."

All your doing is showing profound ignorance of how great an athlete Bill Russell was back in the day.   So you lose this one.  Wilt would do just fine today, too.   Him and Bill were freak athletes.   Russell had about a 48" vertical and put quarters on top on the backboard.

[GreenShooter]

Did you really just mention Bill Russell as if he had to deal with centers who stretched out the floor? As if the defensive schemes were as complex as they are now? What would happen if Russell stood in the paint in this day in age against Kevin Love? Like cmon do you guys actually think these things through at all? There is legit a reason why there aren’t many bigs who can’t shoot in the league now! 🙄 I’m done y’all won again

Bill Russell would have ate Kevin Love alive.   He had the length, is a way better athlete.  He is also the most mentally tough athlete to play the game and won at every level.  Kevin Love would be crying for mommy after Russell swooped in from now where and blocked his shot to start the break.   Russell was the quickest man on a team of Hall of famers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc

and this

Bill Russell
A search of the archives uncovered this Associated Press story from February 1956 about the eventual Boston Celtics' legend when he was playing at the University of San Francisco. "My heart is set on the Olympics," Russell said. "I think I have a good chance of making the basketball squad, and I'd like to make the track and field team as well. ... I think I might be able to make it in the 400-meter hurdles. I've run the 440 in 49.6. That's not fast, but with some practice I could cut two seconds off that time -- easily. I've run the hurdles once or twice. I've got a good stride and good stamina."

Years later, when he was named Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year in 1968 for his work as the Celtics' player/coach, Russell told writer George Plimpton he only fiddled with track at USF because the team's button-down sweater was sharper than what basketball offered.

"He's a fantastic athlete," teammate John Havlicek said then. "He could have been the decathlon champion. He could broad-jump 24 feet. He did the hurdles in 13.4. I've seen him in plays on a basketball court when he not only blocks a shot but controls the ball and feeds it to his forwards, and then he's up at the other end of the court trailing the fast break and if there's a rebound there he is, ready for it. He just might be the fastest man on the Celtics."

All your doing is showing profound ignorance of how great an athlete Bill Russell was back in the day.   So you lose this one.  Wilt would do just fine today, too.   Him and Bill were freak athletes.   Russell had about a 48" vertical and put quarters on top on the backboard.

Stories like this always remind me of Earl "the goat" Manigault. What a waste of talent. Kind of what could have been with the likes of Lenny Bias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynk2XtGnMgc

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Did you really just mention Bill Russell as if he had to deal with centers who stretched out the floor? As if the defensive schemes were as complex as they are now? What would happen if Russell stood in the paint in this day in age against Kevin Love? Like cmon do you guys actually think these things through at all? There is legit a reason why there aren’t many bigs who can’t shoot in the league now! 🙄 I’m done y’all won again

Bill Russell would have ate Kevin Love alive.   He had the length, is a way better athlete.  He is also the most mentally tough athlete to play the game and won at every level.  Kevin Love would be crying for mommy after Russell swooped in from now where and blocked his shot to start the break.   Russell was the quickest man on a team of Hall of famers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc

and this

Bill Russell
A search of the archives uncovered this Associated Press story from February 1956 about the eventual Boston Celtics' legend when he was playing at the University of San Francisco. "My heart is set on the Olympics," Russell said. "I think I have a good chance of making the basketball squad, and I'd like to make the track and field team as well. ... I think I might be able to make it in the 400-meter hurdles. I've run the 440 in 49.6. That's not fast, but with some practice I could cut two seconds off that time -- easily. I've run the hurdles once or twice. I've got a good stride and good stamina."

Years later, when he was named Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year in 1968 for his work as the Celtics' player/coach, Russell told writer George Plimpton he only fiddled with track at USF because the team's button-down sweater was sharper than what basketball offered.

"He's a fantastic athlete," teammate John Havlicek said then. "He could have been the decathlon champion. He could broad-jump 24 feet. He did the hurdles in 13.4. I've seen him in plays on a basketball court when he not only blocks a shot but controls the ball and feeds it to his forwards, and then he's up at the other end of the court trailing the fast break and if there's a rebound there he is, ready for it. He just might be the fastest man on the Celtics."

All your doing is showing profound ignorance of how great an athlete Bill Russell was back in the day.   So you lose this one.  Wilt would do just fine today, too.   Him and Bill were freak athletes.   Russell had about a 48" vertical and put quarters on top on the backboard.

Man I really don’t talk about “legends” the game was so different back then, measurements were different back then, the talent was way different back then.

Idk if they played the 2/3 zone back then or not. Like I really won’t dig that deep into history, so if you want that as a L for me so be it that is so moot to the point that, that’s not happening TODAY.

[Birdman]

Looks like its a split decision on Capela in this thread

[Emmette Bryant]

Bill Russell would have ate Kevin Love alive.   

TP

This a true statement, and every person in these forums should know this.

Kevin Love doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Bill Russell.

[MichiganAdam]

I have no doubt if russell needed to shoot threes to be successful today he would learn to shoot 40%.  The only thing he couldn't do was grow taller.  The rest he would have excelled at..of that I have no doubt.

[Celtics4ever]

Man I really don’t talk about “legends” the game was so different back then, measurements were different back then, the talent was way different back then.

Idk if they played the 2/3 zone back then or not. Like I really won’t dig that deep into history, so if you want that as a L for me so be it that is so moot to the point that, that’s not happening TODAY.

How many modern players do you seeing jumping over a guy and laying it from the free throw lane?

I will wait for your answer, sure there were guys back then who could not play today but Russell is simply not one of them.

[roxfan88]

Well basicly ive watched alot of rockets games. Clint capela will get you alot of rebounds, layups,dunks and blocks. He is a very good player, and is getting better every year. So you might not seen alot of him to think maybe hes not worth it. He probably needs to grow with a young core, i think this is why rockets are probably looking at your vets. But it when you talk about eric gordon, he is much like draft.net says he is, mitch richmond, he is a good scorer, and very much could be on the allstar team for any team without a harden on it.

So the thing is, if your getting both those players in a trade the value is high is all im saying. The rockets need better vets, im assuming thats why they are looking at some of your players because of the playoff exp they need , like in Hayward or AL.

im from houston hehe. Always thought you guys were gonna land Love... oh well.

[AshyLarry]

Did you really just mention Bill Russell as if he had to deal with centers who stretched out the floor? As if the defensive schemes were as complex as they are now? What would happen if Russell stood in the paint in this day in age against Kevin Love? Like cmon do you guys actually think these things through at all? There is legit a reason why there aren’t many bigs who can’t shoot in the league now! 🙄 I’m done y’all won again

Bill Russell would have ate Kevin Love alive.   He had the length, is a way better athlete.  He is also the most mentally tough athlete to play the game and won at every level.  Kevin Love would be crying for mommy after Russell swooped in from now where and blocked his shot to start the break.   Russell was the quickest man on a team of Hall of famers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc

and this

Bill Russell
A search of the archives uncovered this Associated Press story from February 1956 about the eventual Boston Celtics' legend when he was playing at the University of San Francisco. "My heart is set on the Olympics," Russell said. "I think I have a good chance of making the basketball squad, and I'd like to make the track and field team as well. ... I think I might be able to make it in the 400-meter hurdles. I've run the 440 in 49.6. That's not fast, but with some practice I could cut two seconds off that time -- easily. I've run the hurdles once or twice. I've got a good stride and good stamina."

Years later, when he was named Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year in 1968 for his work as the Celtics' player/coach, Russell told writer George Plimpton he only fiddled with track at USF because the team's button-down sweater was sharper than what basketball offered.

"He's a fantastic athlete," teammate John Havlicek said then. "He could have been the decathlon champion. He could broad-jump 24 feet. He did the hurdles in 13.4. I've seen him in plays on a basketball court when he not only blocks a shot but controls the ball and feeds it to his forwards, and then he's up at the other end of the court trailing the fast break and if there's a rebound there he is, ready for it. He just might be the fastest man on the Celtics."

All your doing is showing profound ignorance of how great an athlete Bill Russell was back in the day.   So you lose this one.  Wilt would do just fine today, too.   Him and Bill were freak athletes.   Russell had about a 48" vertical and put quarters on top on the backboard.

Man I really don’t talk about “legends” the game was so different back then, measurements were different back then, the talent was way different back then.

Idk if they played the 2/3 zone back then or not. Like I really won’t dig that deep into history, so if you want that as a L for me so be it that is so moot to the point that, that’s not happening TODAY.

Man, do yourself a favor and watch some old 60’s Bill Russell/ Celtics clips. (There Isn’t too much out there, so it won’t take too long)

https://youtu.be/HtLkvYhXgoE

https://youtu.be/_eYvwVri8-k


Even with a heaping helping of slow white guys running around, players had a bigger focus on teamwork and fundamentals, specifically passing- which the C’s excelled at more than anyone.

For a simplified game with less rules, shooting and physical talent, it was still played at a high level. Most of the players back then Wouldn’t cut it in today’s NBA, but a good handful certainly could- hell, some would be all stars IMO.

 Not to mention, Bill Russell is arguably the greatest physical specimen of the 1960’s. Incredible athlete with a seemingly supernatural feel for the game. He shut s*** down, generally and took the game’s watchability up a notch. He deserves your utmost respect, whether or not you’re interested in the history of the game. Bow to him and ask for forgiveness.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Man I really don’t talk about “legends” the game was so different back then, measurements were different back then, the talent was way different back then.

Idk if they played the 2/3 zone back then or not. Like I really won’t dig that deep into history, so if you want that as a L for me so be it that is so moot to the point that, that’s not happening TODAY.

How many modern players do you seeing jumping over a guy and laying it from the free throw lane?

I will wait for your answer, sure there were guys back then who could not play today but Russell is simply not one of them.

The hell this got to do with Capela? How ever high Russell could jump in the 60s has nothing to do with Capela.

[Celtics4ever]

The hell this got to do with Capela? How ever high Russell could jump in the 60s has nothing to do with Capela.

I believe you brought it up in the threads above, didn't you.   Why yes, you did, I quoted you and that opened it.   But I get it,  you can't refute so you want to get back on track and avoid this off topic conversation you started.   Point taken though we don't want to derail the thread.