The real problem with the Celtics

[Silky]

I won't start a new thread, since I'm in the keep the assets, don't trade for Davis, let Kyrie go camp.  And people are tired of new threads on that.

CBS and Kyrie bad mix (my opinion).  Keep CBS please out of the two.  Kyrie and Hayward so so mix (underutilizes Gordon imo).

People think Hayward should run the second unit.   Well, next year I think he should run the first unit next to a possibly not pure PG, such as Rozier, Smart or God willing: Ja Morant (once he's ready) via miracle Sac pick landing at 2 or via trading for him (not happening unless NYK land at 2 and will take Kyrie for him plus salary in sign in trade.

For example: 
Smart, Morant, Wannamaker  (eventual start Morant)
Brown, Smart, (maybe land Culver/K.Johnson/Nick Alex Walker with Sac pick...if Morant via Kyrie)
Tatum, Hayward, Ojeleye
Hayward, Horford, Grant Williams (pick)
Baynes, Horford, Williams, Grant Williams

EVENTUAL:

Morant, Smart
Brown, Smart, Nick Alex Walker or Culver or K. Johnson or Langford or Kevin Porter, etc...
Tatum, Hayward
Hayward, Horford, Grant Williams
Baynes, Horford, Wiliams, Williams


Yes, I'm advocating sign and trading Kyrie to NYK for Morant, continuing to build, giving Hayward more Point duties at the PF spot next to a hulking center with Al off the bench (still finishing games and possible starting in playoffs). 

retaining Memphis pick.

enjoy Celtics life again with a young super coach and young improving team 

rather than build around two guys who don't really want to be here and have frequent injury issues.

One more time... Why would New York sign and trade for a guy they can sign outright without giving up assets? This isn't 2k. There's no motivation for them to do that.

They could potentially use their capspace, then do the sign and trade allowing them to go over the cap.

Provided they still have the salary to do so.

[KGBirdBias]

Ainge should walk into the locker room and tell them. Stop whining, stop crying, stop looking for a cookie every time you do something good or stop complaining you're being picked on by the media.

Then go and sign an energy guy, someone who wants to win a ring, a vet who isn't afraid to speak his mind. We need a David West, Joakim Noah type to set an edge with this fragile bunch.

[RJ87]

I won't start a new thread, since I'm in the keep the assets, don't trade for Davis, let Kyrie go camp.  And people are tired of new threads on that.

CBS and Kyrie bad mix (my opinion).  Keep CBS please out of the two.  Kyrie and Hayward so so mix (underutilizes Gordon imo).

People think Hayward should run the second unit.   Well, next year I think he should run the first unit next to a possibly not pure PG, such as Rozier, Smart or God willing: Ja Morant (once he's ready) via miracle Sac pick landing at 2 or via trading for him (not happening unless NYK land at 2 and will take Kyrie for him plus salary in sign in trade.

For example: 
Smart, Morant, Wannamaker  (eventual start Morant)
Brown, Smart, (maybe land Culver/K.Johnson/Nick Alex Walker with Sac pick...if Morant via Kyrie)
Tatum, Hayward, Ojeleye
Hayward, Horford, Grant Williams (pick)
Baynes, Horford, Williams, Grant Williams

EVENTUAL:

Morant, Smart
Brown, Smart, Nick Alex Walker or Culver or K. Johnson or Langford or Kevin Porter, etc...
Tatum, Hayward
Hayward, Horford, Grant Williams
Baynes, Horford, Wiliams, Williams


Yes, I'm advocating sign and trading Kyrie to NYK for Morant, continuing to build, giving Hayward more Point duties at the PF spot next to a hulking center with Al off the bench (still finishing games and possible starting in playoffs). 

retaining Memphis pick.

enjoy Celtics life again with a young super coach and young improving team 

rather than build around two guys who don't really want to be here and have frequent injury issues.

One more time... Why would New York sign and trade for a guy they can sign outright without giving up assets? This isn't 2k. There's no motivation for them to do that.

They could potentially use their capspace, then do the sign and trade allowing them to go over the cap.

Provided they still have the salary to do so.

Exactly. They could use their capspace to sign Kyrie and Durant, and trade assets for a player still under contract if they chose to do so. It doesn't make any sense at all for them to trade a top 5 draft pick for a player they can sign. It's terrible asset management.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I'm so tired of the Kyrie bashing. And it's not even because I'm a huge fan of him, because I'm not. And I'm not saying that Kyrie is blameless, because he isn't.

But it takes two to tango, and the other half of what's going on here involves the youngsters on the team, namely Brown, Tatum, and Rozier.

Those guys did really well in last year's playoffs, but that led to a lot of hype over the summer, and the primary result was that these guys entered this season with heads the size of prize-winning pumpkins. It seems obvious to me that they thought the team now belonged to them, that Kyrie and Hayward would just take a back seat to them, but that was never gonna happen.

It’s not bashing.

Irving’s play doesn’t translate to wins.

What were the Cavs with Irving as the lead guy?

Now he’s on a loaded Celtics team and we are vastly underachieving.

Baynes plays more than 15 minutes we are like 15-2.

Baynes has more impact than we give him credit for.

Here's a list of the best players Cleveland had while they had Kyrie but no LeBron:

Anthony Bennett
Luol Deng
C.J. Miles
Tristan Thompson
Anderson Varejao
Dion Waiters
Tyler Zeller
Shaun Livingston
Marreese Speights
Ramon Sessions
An old Antawn Jamison
Mo Williams
J.J. Hickson

That's pretty much a lottery team. Maybe a fringe playoff team in the weak East. LeBron's probably the only guy who could've taken that team deep into the playoffs.

[Tr1boy]

Ainge should walk into the locker room and tell them. Stop whining, stop crying, stop looking for a cookie every time you do something good or stop complaining you're being picked on by the media.

Then go and sign an energy guy, someone who wants to win a ring, a vet who isn't afraid to speak his mind. We need a David West, Joakim Noah type to set an edge with this fragile bunch.

Celts should have signed Noah

who is actually playing pretty decent right now

He is a good leader, fiery

[Big333223]

Ainge should walk into the locker room and tell them. Stop whining, stop crying, stop looking for a cookie every time you do something good or stop complaining you're being picked on by the media.

Then go and sign an energy guy, someone who wants to win a ring, a vet who isn't afraid to speak his mind. We need a David West, Joakim Noah type to set an edge with this fragile bunch.

Celts should have signed Noah

who is actually playing pretty decent right now

He is a good leader, fiery

Just looking this up now. He's 14.5 ppg, 8.5 rpb, and 3.5 apg in 24 mpg over his last 6 games for Memphis. On the season he's 6-5-2 in 15 mpg.

He looked pretty cooked in New York but those are decent 4th big numbers.

[Briantir]

Lol everyone quick to blame Kyrie.

These are the real facts and weather you accept it or not this is it.

1. Boston got super lucky last year in the playoffs avoiding Lebron in the second it should have been TOR vs CLE ECF. Tor would 100% have beaten Boston in second round if they played or Philly.

2. The EAST was dog poo dodo last year poop.

3. Expectations were set waaaaaay to high for a group who didn't accomplish anything.

4. It seems like none of these guys worked on their game last year because every flipping team got better except the Celtics.

That's reality and if they finish 5th there's no way we advance passed the second round its just impossible this team on the road is sooooo bad.

[RJ87]

Ainge should walk into the locker room and tell them. Stop whining, stop crying, stop looking for a cookie every time you do something good or stop complaining you're being picked on by the media.

Then go and sign an energy guy, someone who wants to win a ring, a vet who isn't afraid to speak his mind. We need a David West, Joakim Noah type to set an edge with this fragile bunch.

Celts should have signed Noah

who is actually playing pretty decent right now

He is a good leader, fiery

Didn't he get into a screaming match with his coach during practice which had to be physically broken up by teammates? And wasnt he sent home from the team after that?

[Silky]

I won't start a new thread, since I'm in the keep the assets, don't trade for Davis, let Kyrie go camp.  And people are tired of new threads on that.

CBS and Kyrie bad mix (my opinion).  Keep CBS please out of the two.  Kyrie and Hayward so so mix (underutilizes Gordon imo).

People think Hayward should run the second unit.   Well, next year I think he should run the first unit next to a possibly not pure PG, such as Rozier, Smart or God willing: Ja Morant (once he's ready) via miracle Sac pick landing at 2 or via trading for him (not happening unless NYK land at 2 and will take Kyrie for him plus salary in sign in trade.

For example: 
Smart, Morant, Wannamaker  (eventual start Morant)
Brown, Smart, (maybe land Culver/K.Johnson/Nick Alex Walker with Sac pick...if Morant via Kyrie)
Tatum, Hayward, Ojeleye
Hayward, Horford, Grant Williams (pick)
Baynes, Horford, Williams, Grant Williams

EVENTUAL:

Morant, Smart
Brown, Smart, Nick Alex Walker or Culver or K. Johnson or Langford or Kevin Porter, etc...
Tatum, Hayward
Hayward, Horford, Grant Williams
Baynes, Horford, Wiliams, Williams


Yes, I'm advocating sign and trading Kyrie to NYK for Morant, continuing to build, giving Hayward more Point duties at the PF spot next to a hulking center with Al off the bench (still finishing games and possible starting in playoffs). 

retaining Memphis pick.

enjoy Celtics life again with a young super coach and young improving team 

rather than build around two guys who don't really want to be here and have frequent injury issues.

One more time... Why would New York sign and trade for a guy they can sign outright without giving up assets? This isn't 2k. There's no motivation for them to do that.

They could potentially use their capspace, then do the sign and trade allowing them to go over the cap.

Provided they still have the salary to do so.

Exactly. They could use their capspace to sign Kyrie and Durant, and trade assets for a player still under contract if they chose to do so. It doesn't make any sense at all for them to trade a top 5 draft pick for a player they can sign. It's terrible asset management.

I think you are missing the point i was making.

Nyk wont trade the pick if its number 1 period.

But.

If they could sign durant amd butler with capspace then trade for a sign and traded kyrie. Then they have 3 max free agents.

[KGBirdBias]

Lol everyone quick to blame Kyrie.

These are the real facts and weather you accept it or not this is it.

1. Boston got super lucky last year in the playoffs avoiding Lebron in the second it should have been TOR vs CLE ECF. Tor would 100% have beaten Boston in second round if they played or Philly.

2. The EAST was dog poo dodo last year poop.

3. Expectations were set waaaaaay to high for a group who didn't accomplish anything.

4. It seems like none of these guys worked on their game last year because every flipping team got better except the Celtics.

That's reality and if they finish 5th there's no way we advance passed the second round its just impossible this team on the road is sooooo bad.

This is KyMe's team right? This is what he wanted.

It's funny how NOW everyone craps on the run last year just so they dont have to admit we now are watching a dumpster fire.

[KGBirdBias]

Rozier is doubtful tonight. Everyone happy?

Wanamaker is questionable

KyMe it's all yours...chuck all the shots you want.

[gouki88]

Rozier is doubtful tonight. Everyone happy?

Wanamaker is questionable

KyMe it's all yours...chuck all the shots you want.

I am over the moon. We might actually win now

[indeedproceed]

The real problem with the Celtics? They haven't had a team bonding activity to make things 'fun' again that was turned into a montage showing how they rediscovered their love of the game first, and the fact that it is a job second.

Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=5Q5bHzfzCm4