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This in essence is Hayward's first season with Celtics
« on: December 22, 2018, 07:14:21 PM »

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playing wise of course.

What is his role on this team, and does he fit Brad's system?

Re: This in essence is Hayward's first season with Celtics
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2018, 07:46:54 PM »

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playing wise of course.

What is his role on this team, and does he fit Brad's system?

He absolutely fits Brad's system.

The system is about driving, then kick it out and shoot behind the 3-point line. Hayward has been excellent at driving, but not going to the hoop and pass it away to someone else. He has fully mastered Brad's system!

Without joking, yes he absolutely fits within the Celtics general playing style. Probably better than a couple other guys.
My opinion is that we need to let Hayward dictate the offense more and ask him to be more agressive.

I'm far more worried about his defense, he gets blown by at times like he's an unaware rookie.

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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2018, 08:42:01 PM »

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I would say this is like a pre season for Hayward. He’s still trying to get right imo. He fits when healthy but the guy has minimal lift and can’t explode to the rim. His shot has been streaky too.

When healthy, he should probably be the one facilitating the offense. Not Kyrie or Smart. Good things happened when he touched the ball in Utah and he’s a legit 20-5-5 guy
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2018, 10:29:47 PM »

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I would say this is like a pre season for Hayward. He’s still trying to get right imo. He fits when healthy but the guy has minimal lift and can’t explode to the rim. His shot has been streaky too.

When healthy, he should probably be the one facilitating the offense. Not Kyrie or Smart. Good things happened when he touched the ball in Utah and he’s a legit 20-5-5 guy

Legit 20 - 5 - 5 guy?????

He hasnt averaged 5 assists in like 4 years. 1 season at 20 or more.

5.2    2.8
4.1    2.7
3.7    2.5
3.5    1.9

Those are his averages for assists and turnovers.

Re: This in essence is Hayward's first season with Celtics
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2018, 09:25:22 PM »

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Hayward won’t be averaging 20ppg on this version of the Celtics anytime soon. Maybe if it was still the team he joined with IT where he would be the 2nd scoring option. There’s too many players right now for anyone other than Kyrie who takes the most shots of anyone to average more than 20and even him will only be in the low 20s. Look at tonight where we scored 119 points and we had 25 from Kyrie, 17 Tatum, 12 Morris, 10 Horford, 9 Rozier, 8 Hayward and 8 Brown. Then we had 30 from the other Rotstion players including 10 from Theis.

Probably some of those end of bench points will be drdistrivuted to Brown, Hayward, Morris and Rozier in the playoffs and a different player may go off on different occasions but our team is too deep for them all to average 20. It’s not like Philly or Golden Stste or Toronto where their top 3 generate 60+ points. I’ve learned to be more realistic when looking at their box scores and focusing more on their efficiency. Hayward and Browns efficiency have been mediocre in the last few games they have shot well under 59% so it’s probebly poor shot selection or just missing open shots they should be making. They will all be getting less shots, gotta make the most of the shots you have.

One things for sure, some guy 20 years from now will look at their stat lines by year and say what the hell happened in 2018-19 why did they all suck all of a sudden  :laugh:
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2018, 11:09:30 PM »

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I would say this is like a pre season for Hayward. He’s still trying to get right imo. He fits when healthy but the guy has minimal lift and can’t explode to the rim. His shot has been streaky too.

When healthy, he should probably be the one facilitating the offense. Not Kyrie or Smart. Good things happened when he touched the ball in Utah and he’s a legit 20-5-5 guy

Legit 20 - 5 - 5 guy?????

He hasnt averaged 5 assists in like 4 years. 1 season at 20 or more.

5.2    2.8
4.1    2.7
3.7    2.5
3.5    1.9

Those are his averages for assists and turnovers.

When Gordon (hopefully) finally gets back to 100% I'll be licking my chops at him coming off a PnR, and throwing bullets at Jaylen, Kyrie and Tatum.

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2018, 12:04:42 PM »

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playing wise of course.

What is his role on this team, and does he fit Brad's system?

He absolutely fits Brad's system as a swing forward who can hit threes and switch a little defensively.

However, he can no longer get to the rim with any consistency (averaging 2.4 FTa per game this year) and is sadly now a JAG with an albatross contract.

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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2018, 12:09:33 PM »

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playing wise of course.

What is his role on this team, and does he fit Brad's system?

He absolutely fits Brad's system as a swing forward who can hit threes and switch a little defensively.

However, he can no longer get to the rim with any consistency (averaging 2.4 FTa per game this year) and is sadly now a JAG with an albatross contract.
Because obviously he won’t improve in any way, shape or form from now on ::)
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2018, 12:13:28 PM »

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No, I believe NEXT SEASON will be Gordon Hayward's FULLY HEALTHY - body and MIND - season with BOS.

We are already seeing glimpses of the man who lead Utah to the Western Conference Semis...flashes of his brilliance.

Let him continue to get his legs under him - his confidence. We are indeed seeing glimpses of it - flashes...

Just be patient.

As this season wears on into June I have a feeling we'll be seeing even MORE of him, 16-17.

So thankful he is on our team.

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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2018, 08:47:05 PM »

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Gonna drop these highlights here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88wieuY9Tzo

Man, that guy was athletic.

Hopefully he returns to form - despite losing a lot of his athleticism (for now), he looks bigger and stronger this year. He's 6'8 but his bulk makes him seem a couple inches taller. He seems to be trying a more grounded, maybe more consistent, jumper.

Just from watching these highlights, I'm quite happy with what Stevens is doing with him. Hayward needs reps.

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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2018, 09:06:42 PM »

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Gonna drop these highlights here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88wieuY9Tzo

Man, that guy was athletic.

Hopefully he returns to form - despite losing a lot of his athleticism (for now), he looks bigger and stronger this year. He's 6'8 but his bulk makes him seem a couple inches taller. He seems to be trying a more grounded, maybe more consistent, jumper.

Just from watching these highlights, I'm quite happy with what Stevens is doing with him. Hayward needs reps.
tp for the highlights. if the celtics get THAT hayward this season, they win it all.  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2018, 09:48:28 PM »

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I think Hayward is basically a 6-8 version  of Horford right now. He's generally  playing good D and making the good basketball decisions without being the focus  of the offense.  He makes the right passes, cuts, he doesn't  clog the lane allowing Kyrie operate. I think as he continues  to regain his form he will supplant  Morris as the 2nd or 3rd option  on O.

He's just not what he was in Utah, yet. I can see why people are disappointed  especially considering his salary but I think he was the primary  option in Utah. Here he was always going to be #2 to Kyrie and no one could have predicted how good  Tatum would be this early.

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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2018, 09:56:12 PM »

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I think Hayward is basically a 6-8 version  of Horford right now. He's generally  playing good D and making the good basketball decisions without being the focus  of the offense.  He makes the right passes, cuts, he doesn't  clog the lane allowing Kyrie operate. I think as he continues  to regain his form he will supplant  Morris as the 2nd or 3rd option  on O.

He's just not what he was in Utah, yet. I can see why people are disappointed  especially considering his salary but I think he was the primary  option in Utah. Here he was always going to be #2 to Kyrie and no one could have predicted how good  Tatum would be this early.

he should still score more than 5 points and take 6 shots though when you are paying a guy 30million. I always expected some growing pains, but at some point he needs to take the training wheels off. We need his scoring right now.