Tell us how you really feel - Kyrie Sucks, Hayward Sucks, Trade was a Mistake

[DooVoo]

You all have to understand fan is short for fanatic. By our nature were are irrational and emotional. We think we know everything but we know very little. Some of us always want to be proven right even when we are wrong.

The one thing about us is we want to see the team succeed. As soon as we see how good Kyrie and Hayward are we will love them as much as any player that left. More in fact cause they are more talented than any player that left. Stars win in the NBA and we have two of them. Sadly IT is not healthy and who knows if he ever will be and lord knows Danny wasn't paying a 5'9" PG with a degenerative hip problem as he ages.

Every one dogging Kyrie, or questioning his character, will be kissing his rear when he bombs 40 without a sweat and looks like a top 15 player. Fans by nature are hypocrites and we want to get joy out of our team. Luckily we have a pretty talented team for that.

Yes Celtic fans are generally more negative than most fans for some reason. And we tend to badly overrate our own players. But we also love them and that love will be felt by some very talented players this year and in the future.

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I haven't seen a ton of posters saying they hate the trade and bad,mouthing KI and saying they hate Irving. I have only seen a few posters, one in particular, that has been stating they hated the trade and has been disparaging Irving over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

It's more criticizing than disparaging, and none of it is unfair.

If you criticized him for a week, even a lot, I would agree its criticism. Doing it virtually non stop since the trade, in my book that's disparaging and disparaging is never fair

So there's a time limit on fair criticism?

Is there a similar limit on the number of times somebody can praise Kyrie or Danny?

Of course you know the praise line is a straw man meant to divert the discussion. Also, fair is your word and not fact. Kyrie asked to be traded, that's his perogative as an NBA professional. Cleveland decided to grant him his request. They didn't have to. Everything else you have been saying regarding his brand, his me first attitude, his alpha over team is just you reading what you want into the situation. Its not fair criticism, its just criticism. And as I said, criticism ad nauseum is disparaging.

Rejecting legitimate criticism while turning a blind eye to praise that has little basis in fact is nothing more than an unprincipled value judgment. The insistence that there be silence from those that disagree would fit well on a modern college campus, but not so much on CelticsBlog.

Questioning his defense, fit in the offense = legitimate criticism.

Questioning his priorities, intentions = disparaging.

You can criticize his game without attacking his character. The faulty, circular logic of "I don't like him because he has questionable priorities and reasons for leaving Cleveland which I have no actual insight into except for my own conjecture" is probably be better suited for that modem college campus you speak of.

Those on the modern college campus would probably be offended by you, and likely CelticsBlog at large. 

It's okay to criticize things that aren't necessarily quantifiable.  A lot of what occurs in the world doesn't shift over that well to an Excel or SPSS file. 

There's plenty of reason to question Kyrie's character.  And if you aren't coming off several years of strongly disliking the guy, I don't know what to tell you. 

We had a Cinderella story here that many came to deeply appreciate.  In terms of the "Boston sports fan" effect, Kyrie could not have come at a worse time for those of us who value hard hats and winning more often than a team should.

Honest question: How long could that Cinderella story have gone on? None of us can know, of course, but IT's injury and recovery probably would've had a lot to do with it, one way or the other. If he's never the same, the glass slipper would've come off pretty quickly, I think, and it would've been too late to trade him, since he'd be damaged goods. I guess only time will tell.

I think Crowder needed to be moved, even if the IT-Irving trade didn't happen; he was showing signs of becoming a malcontent even before Hayward and Tatum showed up.

Honestly, I have no idea.  I don't trust any media reports on it, and the two teams were jockeying to win a trade.  Wouldn't be shocked to see IT play as a shell of his former self this season, or average 25 ppg as he just promised.

Agree that Crowder did probably need to be moved.  He'll be missed more than some think, but it's fine in a vacuum.  What's unfortunate to me is that, after so much patience, we: a) probably overpaid in a major trade, and b) didn't sell off quality assets for an elite big and/or two-way player. 

Isaiah was the perfect example of how an undersized, but offensively talented PG, can be found as a diamond in the rough in today's NBA.  That Ainge chose to loosen his grip on our assets for a shinier (and far less likable/annoying) one is disappointing to us that hoped to spend on someone with a higher probability of becoming a championship cornerstone.  No team in the NBA is winning a championship with Kyrie as their best player.