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Offline Moranis

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Do the Celtics have cap room for an extension?

No.  IT could get an extension that starts next year at about $7.5 million.   This is a wasted thread.

I didnt consider this aspect

So the Celts cant pay him 20 million per year max extension, with Wyc having to pay the luxury tax?

Also why cany the Celts set up a pre extension like what Harden got from the Rockets with 2 years currently left in his contract?

Harden is eligible for the Designated Veteran Extension, which IT is not eligible for because a) he has not been in the league long enough (minimum 7 seasons) and b) has not been with the Celtics long enough (minimum 5 seasons).

You are allowed to renegotiate and extend a contract that has been signed meow than three years ago, for which IT would be eligible effective today, I believe, but only if you have the cap space to add to the contract.  Otherwise it can just give a player a 20% raise next year.

If we had missed out on Hayward, it was very possible IT would have been given a renegotiation /extension at the reduced max price this year.  But since we got Hayward, we have no cap room.  I prefer Hayward, myself.  IT will get paid next year.  Ownership presumably has set a budget that allows them to pay the luxury tax next year if they signed a max player this summer, since they'll pay to be contenders.
Is Boston a contender though? And are they going to pay the tax for multiple seasons and become a repeater?
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Lowe had an interesting take on IT. He said because the cap is essentially flat for the next few years there may not be many suitors for IT and the Celtics think they will be able to sign him to a contract that will average around $25m

But IT4 says bring on the Brinks trucks  ;D

Unless he receives the same pay as Horford/Hayward. Cant see him be happy one bit

The solution is Wyc pays the luxury tax...unless he doesnt want to

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Another key development will be if this upcoming season Smart finally gets his act together and shoots the 3 around 35 percent, plus over 40 percent fg.

And even if he only scores 12-14ppg  ........at least another step closer to reaching his potential

I would personally keep and sign Smart to a cheaper extension than pay IT4 max  in this situation

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As much as I like IT, I really believe that Danny may let the market set his value. He knows what the team can afford and what Wyc will shell out going forward. If we have to dump salary to get money to sign IT, we may be in for an ugly reality check next season. That will mean real roster chaos going into 2018/2019.

Could be a cut off your nose to spite your face scenario.

What will we do for the draft then?

Gives me a headache lol.
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As much as I like IT, I really believe that Danny may let the market set his value. He knows what the team can afford and what Wyc will shell out going forward. If we have to dump salary to get money to sign IT, we may be in for an ugly reality check next season. That will mean real roster chaos going into 2018/2019.

Could be a cut off your nose to spite your face scenario.

What will we do for the draft then?

Gives me a headache lol.

Celtics have options then... And maybe Smart/Rozier play better

2019 draft class has some nice pg/sg prospects. RJ Barrett is sick

Offline timpiker

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A lot will depend on how successful the team is this year and how IT plays.  Injury issues?  I expect Danny to gage what other teams will pay. 

By the way I like IT a lot but this Brinks bullsh*t has to stop.

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As much as I like IT, I really believe that Danny may let the market set his value. He knows what the team can afford and what Wyc will shell out going forward. If we have to dump salary to get money to sign IT, we may be in for an ugly reality check next season. That will mean real roster chaos going into 2018/2019.

Could be a cut off your nose to spite your face scenario.

What will we do for the draft then?

Gives me a headache lol.

Celtics have options then... And maybe Smart/Rozier play better

2019 draft class has some nice pg/sg prospects. RJ Barrett is sick

Agree we probably run Smart and Rozier with maybe a vet for depth and mentoring.

I think we use next year's high pick (s) for super bigs.

I wonder if IT would flourish in a non Brad system  going forward. Just seems like a stretch. Where would he go? Sacramento? That ship has sailed. Nets or Knicks? Hard to see but possible. No supporting cast that I can see. Hawks? Don't buy that one either. Not a bunch of buyers out there.
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As much as I like IT, I really believe that Danny may let the market set his value. He knows what the team can afford and what Wyc will shell out going forward. If we have to dump salary to get money to sign IT, we may be in for an ugly reality check next season. That will mean real roster chaos going into 2018/2019.

Could be a cut off your nose to spite your face scenario.

What will we do for the draft then?

Gives me a headache lol.

Celtics have options then... And maybe Smart/Rozier play better

2019 draft class has some nice pg/sg prospects. RJ Barrett is sick

Agree we probably run Smart and Rozier with maybe a vet for depth and mentoring.

I think we use next year's high pick (s) for super bigs.

I wonder if IT would flourish in a non Brad system  going forward. Just seems like a stretch. Where would he go? Sacramento? That ship has sailed. Nets or Knicks? Hard to see but possible. No supporting cast that I can see. Hawks? Don't buy that one either. Not a bunch of buyers out there.

Yeah, IT is really in no position to 'win' if Danny lets the market set his value. If he leaves for the Nets or Knicks, then he will look like a greedy loser who is only in it for the money. If he stays for $22M-$25M/yr, well, then that is less money than he likely could make elsewhere.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see what offers are out there next season. Not that I want Danny to play hardball with our [current] best player, but it's not unreasonable to think that IT will not get the full max over 4 or 5 years.

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The NBA is full of some pretty good point guards...very few of them average 28.9 per game. But the truth is IT won't either, not again. The amount of shots he'll take this season will lessen. As the Celtics add more two way players that can create their shot off the dribble, the C's will be less and less dependent on IT.
 
Also, before anyone thinks of an extension, I'd like to see just how healthy he is. 

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Do the Celtics have cap room for an extension?

No.  IT could get an extension that starts next year at about $7.5 million.   This is a wasted thread.

I didnt consider this aspect

So the Celts cant pay him 20 million per year max extension, with Wyc having to pay the luxury tax?

Also why cany the Celts set up a pre extension like what Harden got from the Rockets with 2 years currently left in his contract?

Harden is eligible for the Designated Veteran Extension, which IT is not eligible for because a) he has not been in the league long enough (minimum 7 seasons) and b) has not been with the Celtics long enough (minimum 5 seasons).

You are allowed to renegotiate and extend a contract that has been signed meow than three years ago, for which IT would be eligible effective today, I believe, but only if you have the cap space to add to the contract.  Otherwise it can just give a player a 20% raise next year.

If we had missed out on Hayward, it was very possible IT would have been given a renegotiation /extension at the reduced max price this year.  But since we got Hayward, we have no cap room.  I prefer Hayward, myself.  IT will get paid next year.  Ownership presumably has set a budget that allows them to pay the luxury tax next year if they signed a max player this summer, since they'll pay to be contenders.
Is Boston a contender though? And are they going to pay the tax for multiple seasons and become a repeater?

Yes, they're a contender, or they will likely see themselves as such beginning next summer.  The Cavs very well could be in their final season this year.  The Warriors advantage of Klay Thompson's deal ends a season later.  So the window for this roster, with continued growth from some of the young players to support the vets, will open much wider during IT's next contract.  They may still be a player away from being a true top tier team, but letting IT go would leave them two players away.  I personally think Tatum can become (which is different from "will become") that star level talent by his third season.

And it will depend a bit upon what happens with Horford after this contract, and maybe Hayward if he opts out after three seasons, as to whether or not they become a repeater.  They could dip down below the tax line for at least a season, and maybe two, before enough young guys get their second contracts to carry them back into the tax.

The one bit of leverage they would have with IT is if Smart takes that next step forward this season.  The Celtics will likely be able to keep only one regardless, and if that occurs, Smart would be a cheaper option than IT if they both got their respective maxes.  I don't find it too likely that such a thing will happen, but it's not impossible.  (It would also make the Celtics a legit contender this season.)