IT4 believes he's due a MAX contract

[incoherent]

There is literally 0 chance we give IT the max....zero, zilch, nada...not a chance in hell.

Great, why? Got an solid reasons or is this just your hot take.

[SHAQATTACK]

There is literally 0 chance we give IT the max....zero, zilch, nada...not a chance in hell.

if we hang a banner this year .....pigs might fly ....i guess he would earn it no matter how bad of deal it is for the team.   Thats the onlybway i see it as a reward ..... a thrre year thank you good bye tour ....LOL

[SHAQATTACK]

IT hallucinating.

[JHTruth]

As with most things in life ...... buy low, sell high.

IT has earned a max contract based on how he has performed over the past few years.  You really have to respect what he has accomplished on the court plus the way he made himself the face of the team with his unbridled enthusiasm and over achiever status. He DESERVES to be paid.

Now on to the cold hard reality of running a (Hopefully) championship caliber franchise:

He will be 29 years old by the time his new contact begins. He is a player who relies almost exclusively on his quickness as his most useful physical asset.  Quickness is the physical trait that deteriorates the fastest in the NBA.  He has a lingering hip injury which was serious enough to bounce him from the playoffs.  He is a very small player by NBA standards and take a physical beating.  He is already a big defensive liability.

Ainge will look at how IT's contributions project over the life of any new contract.   IT might have a couple years of peak basketball left but this is a risky assumption. If you look at the career arc of PGs 6'1" and under, the results are pretty bleak in terms of rapid decline. Smaller PGs tend to peak at age 26 then rapidly decline.  Larger PGs peak at age 30. Great article here: Scroll half way downhttp://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19525455/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-including-point-guard-career-arcs.

Simply put,  a max deal for IT seemss to be a terrible investment looking forward. 

As much as his past performance might have "earned" him a visit from the brinks truck, Ainge will be looking forward.  In the best case for IT, he is a $20 million a year player moving forward. He probably projects better later in any new contract as an "instant offense" 6th man, rather than the almost MVP level player he was last year.  The wildcard is IT's  hip injury.  This is very unfortunate timing for him and could depress his value lower.

We will just have to see how this has all played out by the end of next season.  Ainge will not look to trade him, as it would be far too disruptive to the team this year, not to mention how depressed trade value will be due to the injury.

Somewhere over the course of the year, we will know if he needs surgery or if the injury is eroding his performance. Ainge and IT will then sit down and talk business. 

If IT's injury concerns remain,  he still might be resigned on a fan favorite discount.  If he has another big year he still will not get a max from Boston, because all the metrics indicate that would be foolish for a team looking to be a perrenial championship contender. A this point IT will need to move on if  he wants anything close to a max. A desperate team needing a high profile player as a face to their franchise, just might offer it.

Just some wild crazy thinking on why Danny went and got that Laker pick from the Sixers. Next year we keep one and draft Doncic, then send the other one with maxed out IT to the Pels for AD and filler. Send a few more picks to allow them to get a jumpstart on a rebuild. Maybe they resign Cousins.

Anyway just thinking out loud..

[Th3M2n]

There is literally 0 chance we give IT the max....zero, zilch, nada...not a chance in hell.

Great, why? Got an solid reasons or is this just your hot take.

The easiest way to put it is, with the CBA changes, trying to pay 3 max players will MURDER your team with the repeater luxury tax.  Nevermind that guys who rely on "quickness" normally don't last long past age 30, before that "step" goes.  No quick first step = no ability to turn the corner = IT goes from 25+ a game to irrelevant in a single season. 

Option #2 is....we sign  him to the max, then literally wipe out the entire depth, Brown, Tatum, 2 top 5 picks next year and fill out the team with nothing but vet minimums, which I CANNOT see Danny doing.

The CBA changes were specifically done to stop 3 "max" superteams from forming, by having very harsh tax penalties for it.  Even Durant going to GS was an abberation by them jamming a huge jump in the cap into a single season, instead of smoothing it in over the length of the TV deal.

All these factors together, mean IT is gone...

[SHAQATTACK]

There is literally 0 chance we give IT the max....zero, zilch, nada...not a chance in hell.

Great, why? Got an solid reasons or is this just your hot take.

The easiest way to put it is, with the CBA changes, trying to pay 3 max players will MURDER your team with the repeater luxury tax.  Nevermind that guys who rely on "quickness" normally don't last long past age 30, before that "step" goes.  No quick first step = no ability to turn the corner = IT goes from 25+ a game to irrelevant in a single season. 

Option #2 is....we sign  him to the max, then literally wipe out the entire depth, Brown, Tatum, 2 top 5 picks next year and fill out the team with nothing but vet minimums, which I CANNOT see Danny doing.

The CBA changes were specifically done to stop 3 "max" superteams from forming, by having very harsh tax penalties for it.  Even Durant going to GS was an abberation by them jamming a huge jump in the cap into a single season, instead of smoothing it in over the length of the TV deal.

All these factors together, mean IT is gone...

i agree .....Danny will not max IT and strip the team down to three players and twelve scrubs.   not fot IT .....he might for Davis .....yes .......IT has to hang a banner to get a brinks truck.   Ill eat my Celtics cap if he pulls it off.

[JHTruth]

There is literally 0 chance we give IT the max....zero, zilch, nada...not a chance in hell.

Great, why? Got an solid reasons or is this just your hot take.

The easiest way to put it is, with the CBA changes, trying to pay 3 max players will MURDER your team with the repeater luxury tax.  Nevermind that guys who rely on "quickness" normally don't last long past age 30, before that "step" goes.  No quick first step = no ability to turn the corner = IT goes from 25+ a game to irrelevant in a single season. 

Option #2 is....we sign  him to the max, then literally wipe out the entire depth, Brown, Tatum, 2 top 5 picks next year and fill out the team with nothing but vet minimums, which I CANNOT see Danny doing.

The CBA changes were specifically done to stop 3 "max" superteams from forming, by having very harsh tax penalties for it.  Even Durant going to GS was an abberation by them jamming a huge jump in the cap into a single season, instead of smoothing it in over the length of the TV deal.

All these factors together, mean IT is gone...

Yeah even the warriors are going to get crushed in taxes once Steph and Klay get paid..

[Th3M2n]

There is literally 0 chance we give IT the max....zero, zilch, nada...not a chance in hell.

Great, why? Got an solid reasons or is this just your hot take.

The easiest way to put it is, with the CBA changes, trying to pay 3 max players will MURDER your team with the repeater luxury tax.  Nevermind that guys who rely on "quickness" normally don't last long past age 30, before that "step" goes.  No quick first step = no ability to turn the corner = IT goes from 25+ a game to irrelevant in a single season. 

Option #2 is....we sign  him to the max, then literally wipe out the entire depth, Brown, Tatum, 2 top 5 picks next year and fill out the team with nothing but vet minimums, which I CANNOT see Danny doing.

The CBA changes were specifically done to stop 3 "max" superteams from forming, by having very harsh tax penalties for it.  Even Durant going to GS was an abberation by them jamming a huge jump in the cap into a single season, instead of smoothing it in over the length of the TV deal.

All these factors together, mean IT is gone...

Yeah even the warriors are going to get crushed in taxes once Steph and Klay get paid..

Yeah,  GW is more the exception, as their top guys (other than KD) were home grown guys on cost capped contracts that enabled them to snag KD in the single cap jump year.  Now Steph and KD are their max guys and even without a 3rd max guy they will already eat some serious luxury tax this year and it will only get worse for them.

[incoherent]

The way our roster is shaping up... (I use to be 100% against re-signing IT)... but, since we passed on Fultz, unless Marcus becomes amazing this season (I hope he does!) I almost kinda hope we re-sign IT to a Kyle Lowry deal, 90 over 3.

I have no problem with that, and I honestly dont know why anyone here would, who cares about the Luxury tax, we will out last the cavs with this team in about a season or 2.

[Th3M2n]

The way our roster is shaping up... (I use to be 100% against re-signing IT)... but, since we passed on Fultz, unless Marcus becomes amazing this season (I hope he does!) I almost kinda hope we re-sign IT to a Kyle Lowry deal, 90 over 3.

I have no problem with that, and I honestly dont know why anyone here would, who cares about the Luxury tax, we will out last the cavs with this team in about a season or 2.

lol, whether you care or I care about the luxury tax is irrelevant.  The ONLY PERSON it matters to the is owner and i'm pretty sure when he's paying almost as much in luxury tax as the ENTIRE roster itself...he's gonna be very leary.

[tstorey_97]

"Boston isn't winning a title with Thomas, Hayward, and Horford as the core of the team.  Sadly that team just isn't good enough.  And you can't keep all 3 and expect the young players to really develop into a contender for the tax reasons I outlined.  It would be great if those guys could all be around and be bench players on a team led by Brown, Tatum, Porter, Bamba, etc. but financially it just isn't going to work."  Moranis

TP Moranis for da troot.

The endless Bradley discussions of the past weeks are identical to the Thomas discussions.

2018/19 season
Hayward/Horford=$61M
Tatum
Brown
Brkn 18 = $15M

There is no room for Thomas because of the three number ones, unless he goes cheap and why would he?

This is not a title team without injuries to Cavs/GSW. Ownership doesn't need to pay out the $40M to whatever the repeater tax is to come in third.

[Big333223]

The way our roster is shaping up... (I use to be 100% against re-signing IT)... but, since we passed on Fultz, unless Marcus becomes amazing this season (I hope he does!) I almost kinda hope we re-sign IT to a Kyle Lowry deal, 90 over 3.

I have no problem with that, and I honestly dont know why anyone here would, who cares about the Luxury tax, we will out last the cavs with this team in about a season or 2.

A Kyle Lowry 90/3, I could see happening.

Next summer is going to be really interesting in free agency, though. The last prediction I read was for another small increase in the cap (from $99 to $102 mil) and given how much money teams have spent these last two seasons on big contracts because of the cap spike, there might only be 3-4 teams that can open up max money next summer. The Celtics might not have much bidding competition.

I could also see a 4 year $100 mil deal happening for a guy of his size, his age, and the market climate for PG's.

[jade88]

Ugh the same old rhetoric in here. Why are we questioning whether an elite scoring point guard, who elite in late game scoring, and top 10 in PER is worth a max. Fultz is gone and Marcus will never be on that level.

Not drafting Fultz cemented the future of IT4. You win with scorers, it's a high powered offense league right now, we'll just build a bigger team around him 2-5.

Now we wait for the last big piece of the puzzle to become available.