Just like i said........ the loss of Bradley undermines the

[ETNCeltics]

AB had one year left here. He might have been traded even if we didn't sign Hayward. I miss him too and we'd be a better team if we could keep him, but the writing was on the wall.

[Dino Pitino]

How in the world is trading a guard from a VERY guard HEAVY team for a PF when our team was very weak at the PF position putting together "an even more redundant roster" Koz?

Our roster is not guard-heavy. It is forward-heavy, and guys like Crowder, Hayward, and Tatum are essentially vying for the same minutes. There's less of a logjam at guard if you simply carve out Rozier, which is the clear weak link there.

So you eased the lesser logjam and added someone who is essentially like Crowder or Tatum, except less talented. Sure, you made room for Brown, but kicked Tatum even further down the totem pole. Perhaps it's fair to expect close to nothing from Tatum this season, but the one obvious need was an NBA-ready big who can rebound -- and I think the team should have been ready to part with Smart or Crowder if that would have been the price of it. Perhaps that deal just wasn't available -- but this doesn't change the fact that what was done doesn't really improve our issues all that much.

I think you're arguing aimlessly just to vent.

[OhioGreen]

I think what many people are overlooking is AB's biggest weakness......his height, at 6'2"!  Also, what DA is quietly doing to our roster--keeping our athleticism but getting us bigger!  We can now run a small ball lineup with Smart at PG(6'4"), JBrown at SG(6'7"), GH at SF (6'8"), MM at PF(6'9"), and AH at C(6'10")!  Length, athletic, smart, and all good defenders!  You also add Tatum at 6'8", Nader at 6'8", maybe Semi and Yabu at 6'7", and these guys mostly can mostly play 2-4 spots on the floor!  No more shooting over bitty 5'9" IT, 6'2" AB, and MSmart playing SF at 6'4", and JC playing PF at 6'6"!
I think this is definitely factoring into DA's decision making, and think it will pay dividends against teams like the Cavs!

[Scintan]

the loss of Bradley undermines the Hayward signing

While true, that was always going to be the case, because of the cap situation.  Someone was going to have to move on.  There was always going to be a hole created.  The bigger issue is that the Indiana decision not to trade with the Celtics has cost the team the player they wanted to compensate for the created hole, and a 2nd round draft pick.

[kozlodoev]

I think what many people are overlooking is AB's biggest weakness......his height, at 6'2"!  Also, what DA is quietly doing to our roster--keeping our athleticism but getting us bigger!  We can now run a small ball lineup with Smart at PG(6'4"), JBrown at SG(6'7"), GH at SF (6'8"), MM at PF(6'9"), and AH at C(6'10")!  Length, athletic, smart, and all good defenders!  You also add Tatum at 6'8", Nader at 6'8", maybe Semi and Yabu at 6'7", and these guys mostly can mostly play 2-4 spots on the floor!  No more shooting over bitty 5'9" IT, 6'2" AB, and MSmart playing SF at 6'4", and JC playing PF at 6'6"!
I think this is definitely factoring into DA's decision making, and think it will pay dividends against teams like the Cavs!

Given that Bradley is 6'3.25, this purported "weakness" is easy to overlook. That, and it also has rarely been an issue.

Also, for what it's worth, Tatum, Nader, Semi and Yabusele will not sniff the SG position -- and it's questionable whether some of them can even play SF in the NBA.

Nader, by the way, is not anywhere close to 6'8 either, he measured 6'6 in shoes in his only official measurement at the Portsmouth Invitational.

[Smitty77]

How in the world is trading a guard from a VERY guard HEAVY team for a PF when our team was very weak at the PF position putting together "an even more redundant roster" Koz?

Our roster is not guard-heavy. It is forward-heavy, and guys like Crowder, Hayward, and Tatum are essentially vying for the same minutes. There's less of a logjam at guard if you simply carve out Rozier, which is the clear weak link there.

So you eased the lesser logjam and added someone who is essentially like Crowder or Tatum, except less talented. Sure, you made room for Brown, but kicked Tatum even further down the totem pole. Perhaps it's fair to expect close to nothing from Tatum this season, but the one obvious need was an NBA-ready big who can rebound -- and I think the team should have been ready to part with Smart or Crowder if that would have been the price of it. Perhaps that deal just wasn't available -- but this doesn't change the fact that what was done doesn't really improve our issues all that much.

Come on Koz!!  Crowder, Tatum, and Hayward are NOT PF's, period!!!!  Sure, they can play SMALL minutes there, but talk about rebounding and defensive problems vs. the real PF's in the league!!!

Smitty77

[Dchuck]

Of the three, I definitely wanted to see Crowder go first.  All this talk about starting lineups and minutes has me hoping Jae's name won't even be mentioned come training camp, cuz I hope he's gone by then. 

[CelticsBR]

I am glad Rozier will get more playing time. The NBA is largely about the FO's ability to fill a roster under the cap and players at their rookie deals are very important for the regular season playing time!

[GratefulCs]

How in the world is trading a guard from a VERY guard HEAVY team for a PF when our team was very weak at the PF position putting together "an even more redundant roster" Koz?

Our roster is not guard-heavy. It is forward-heavy, and guys like Crowder, Hayward, and Tatum are essentially vying for the same minutes. There's less of a logjam at guard if you simply carve out Rozier, which is the clear weak link there.

So you eased the lesser logjam and added someone who is essentially like Crowder or Tatum, except less talented. Sure, you made room for Brown, but kicked Tatum even further down the totem pole. Perhaps it's fair to expect close to nothing from Tatum this season, but the one obvious need was an NBA-ready big who can rebound -- and I think the team should have been ready to part with Smart or Crowder if that would have been the price of it. Perhaps that deal just wasn't available -- but this doesn't change the fact that what was done doesn't really improve our issues all that much.

Come on Koz!!  Crowder, Tatum, and Hayward are NOT PF's, period!!!!  Sure, they can play SMALL minutes there, but talk about rebounding and defensive problems vs. the real PF's in the league!!!

Smitty77

are you the same smitty from realgm?

and if so, why has everyone been on your case lately over there?

[kozlodoev]

How in the world is trading a guard from a VERY guard HEAVY team for a PF when our team was very weak at the PF position putting together "an even more redundant roster" Koz?

Our roster is not guard-heavy. It is forward-heavy, and guys like Crowder, Hayward, and Tatum are essentially vying for the same minutes. There's less of a logjam at guard if you simply carve out Rozier, which is the clear weak link there.

So you eased the lesser logjam and added someone who is essentially like Crowder or Tatum, except less talented. Sure, you made room for Brown, but kicked Tatum even further down the totem pole. Perhaps it's fair to expect close to nothing from Tatum this season, but the one obvious need was an NBA-ready big who can rebound -- and I think the team should have been ready to part with Smart or Crowder if that would have been the price of it. Perhaps that deal just wasn't available -- but this doesn't change the fact that what was done doesn't really improve our issues all that much.

Come on Koz!!  Crowder, Tatum, and Hayward are NOT PF's, period!!!!  Sure, they can play SMALL minutes there, but talk about rebounding and defensive problems vs. the real PF's in the league!!!

Not sure where you're going with this. Small forwards are also forwards. And Morris is not a really PF either.

[Surferdad]

I think what many people are overlooking is AB's biggest weakness......his height, at 6'2"!  Also, what DA is quietly doing to our roster--keeping our athleticism but getting us bigger!  We can now run a small ball lineup with Smart at PG(6'4"), JBrown at SG(6'7"), GH at SF (6'8"), MM at PF(6'9"), and AH at C(6'10")!  Length, athletic, smart, and all good defenders!  You also add Tatum at 6'8", Nader at 6'8", maybe Semi and Yabu at 6'7", and these guys mostly can mostly play 2-4 spots on the floor!  No more shooting over bitty 5'9" IT, 6'2" AB, and MSmart playing SF at 6'4", and JC playing PF at 6'6"!
I think this is definitely factoring into DA's decision making, and think it will pay dividends against teams like the Cavs!

Given that Bradley is 6'3.25, this purported "weakness" is easy to overlook. That, and it also has rarely been an issue.

Also, for what it's worth, Tatum, Nader, Semi and Yabusele will not sniff the SG position -- and it's questionable whether some of them can even play SF in the NBA.

Nader, by the way, is not anywhere close to 6'8 either, he measured 6'6 in shoes in his only official measurement at the Portsmouth Invitational.

I think OhioGreen is onto something here, and I've wondered about height too.  Bradley is a bit short by today's SG standards and I've observed multiple times where tall SGs shoot over him.  Putting Hayward at SG is definitely more height (basketball reference lists him at 6'8", which admittedly seems generous).  If you put Brown at SG, that's definitely a boost of 3-4 inches over AB.  Nader 'seems' 6'8" the way he plays with his head up most of the time.  Tatum at 19 is still growing, folks, so should top out at at least 6'9".

Watching SL the past two seasons, you can see how wings are getting taller every year, e.g. Brandon Ingram, Djounte Murray, etc.  I think this is a real trend and in spite of anything else is a built-in advantage for players.

[chilidawg]

How in the world is trading a guard from a VERY guard HEAVY team for a PF when our team was very weak at the PF position putting together "an even more redundant roster" Koz?

Our roster is not guard-heavy. It is forward-heavy, and guys like Crowder, Hayward, and Tatum are essentially vying for the same minutes. There's less of a logjam at guard if you simply carve out Rozier, which is the clear weak link there.

So you eased the lesser logjam and added someone who is essentially like Crowder or Tatum, except less talented. Sure, you made room for Brown, but kicked Tatum even further down the totem pole. Perhaps it's fair to expect close to nothing from Tatum this season, but the one obvious need was an NBA-ready big who can rebound -- and I think the team should have been ready to part with Smart or Crowder if that would have been the price of it. Perhaps that deal just wasn't available -- but this doesn't change the fact that what was done doesn't really improve our issues all that much.

Come on Koz!!  Crowder, Tatum, and Hayward are NOT PF's, period!!!!  Sure, they can play SMALL minutes there, but talk about rebounding and defensive problems vs. the real PF's in the league!!!

Smitty77

How about James Posey, was he a "4"?  Because every 4th quarter of our last championship run that's where he'd be.

Like it or not, today's nba has guys like this playing the 4.  Who are these "real PF's" you're concerned about?

[Celtics4ever]

Come on Koz!!  Crowder, Tatum, and Hayward are NOT PF's, period!!!!  Sure, they can play SMALL minutes there, but talk about rebounding and defensive problems vs. the real PF's in the league!!!

According to basketball reference play by play in the regular season Gordon played 30% of his time there and 62% in the playoffs.   How are teams going to run with us?   We got a lot quicker and more athletic by losing KO and Amir.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

Marcus Morris was 5% PF in the regular season and 20% PF in the playoffs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrima03.html

Crowder 13% PF during the regular season and 48% in the playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crowdja01.html


Brown played 26% of his minutes at PF during the regular season and 58% during the playoffs.

Relax the sky is not falling!   CBS uses ballhandlers, wings and bigs.   We are a little weak in the big department.   We have plenty of wings and ballhandlers.    He does not use terms like PF or SF, PG, C, SG.

We have a bunch of guys who are going to cause matchup problems.   I think we will still be weak on the boards but we were last year two.   We are a little more athletic with the new additions.   It stinks to lose AB but is it not like he was prime time Dwanye Wade or Michael Jordan.