Convince Me That Trading For Butler At 'Fair Price' Is A Great Move

[Phantom255x]

Because honestly, I don't think it is.

I'm guessing fair price is something like #3, 2018 BOS 1st, 2019 MEM/LAC 1st (CHOOSE 1), Zeller, Crowder/Bradley, maybe Rozier? That does still sound like a lot and it's possible Chicago wants even more.

With Butler + Hayward/Griffin, I doubt we beat Cleveland still (and Lebron is staying with Cleveland AT LEAST for next season), regardless if they add George or another star, OR not.

And something tells me George isn't going to Cleveland either despite the rumors. I mean, if the price isn't high on George (since he's declared himself an LA-bound "rental" for now), I fail to see why the "third team" in the proposed deal won't just be willing to trade the few assets straight up for George. Are people REALLY interested in Kevin Love that much?

Anyways, I'd rather sign a max FA (Hayward or Griffin), and draft Tatum and #10 (Great chance Tatum could be there at #5, and if he is, trade down for #5 and #10). Keep building with young core and draft picks and once CLE's reign ends in 2 years, we can strike.

Who knows if Butler even stays here after the last 2 years of his deal are up.

I guess it would look good though if we essentially traded #1 for Butler + Top 5 Pick Next Year (Or 2019). But would Butler really help us against Cleveland? Does he do fairly well on his own in matchups against Lebron (Obviously no one can completely stop him, but some can do a good job making it real hard on him).

[aingeforthree]

Because honestly, I don't think it is.

I'm guessing fair price is something like #3, 2018 BOS 1st, 2019 MEM/LAC 1st (CHOOSE 1), Zeller, Crowder/Bradley, maybe Rozier? That does still sound like a lot and it's possible Chicago wants even more.

With Butler + Hayward/Griffin, I doubt we beat Cleveland still (and Lebron is staying with Cleveland AT LEAST for next season), regardless if they add George or another star, OR not.

And something tells me George isn't going to Cleveland either despite the rumors. I mean, if the price isn't high on George (since he's declared himself an LA-bound "rental" for now), I fail to see why the "third team" in the proposed deal won't just be willing to trade the few assets straight up for George. Are people REALLY interested in Kevin Love that much?

Anyways, I'd rather sign a max FA (Hayward or Griffin), and draft Tatum and #10 (Great chance Tatum could be there at #5, and if he is, trade down for #5 and #10). Keep building with young core and draft picks and once CLE's reign ends in 2 years, we can strike.

Who knows if Butler even stays here after the last 2 years of his deal are up.

I guess it would look good though if we essentially traded #1 for Butler + Top 5 Pick Next Year (Or 2019). But would Butler really help us against Cleveland? Does he do fairly well on his own in matchups against Lebron (Obviously no one can completely stop him, but some can do a good job making it real hard on him).

Anytime you can get an all star at a fair price isn't that a great move ? Most teams aren't giving up their all star unless you pay a huge ransom.

[blackbird]

To answer the first question, you do it because Butler is better than players we are likely to draft with any of those picks.

But regarding Sacramento trading a significant asset like the #5 and #10 pick to move up to #3... why would they do that? At #5 they will have the ability to pick between two of Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox and Isaac. All of those are good fits for them.

[nebist]

It's not a good idea to trade all that for Butler and include Zeller because we won't have the cap space then to sign Hayward/Griffin.

No to Butler.  Yes to Paul George rental if price is reasonable.

Otherwise, draft a player, sign a FA and be done with it.

[ETNCeltics]

I might be convinced that moving the #3 pick and AB and/or Crowder is a good trade, but there's no way I'm buying into giving up one of our 2018 high picks.

2 shots in the top 5 could land us an elite talent, and there looks to be 4 or 5 guys at the top of the next few drafts that are just that. It should make a Celtics fan suicidal to give one of those picks for Butler and then the pick turn into Michael Porter or Zion Williamson. There's risk in young players, but then there's also risk in not taking them. Jimmy Butler is not an elite top 10 player, never will be, so there's no way I'm forfeiting a shot at finding one of those guys to get him. 

I'm also opposed to adding both Butler and Hayward. We'd be adding 2 players with similar skillsets, and pretty much eliminating any salary cap flexibility.

[Phantom255x]

Because honestly, I don't think it is.

I'm guessing fair price is something like #3, 2018 BOS 1st, 2019 MEM/LAC 1st (CHOOSE 1), Zeller, Crowder/Bradley, maybe Rozier? That does still sound like a lot and it's possible Chicago wants even more.

With Butler + Hayward/Griffin, I doubt we beat Cleveland still (and Lebron is staying with Cleveland AT LEAST for next season), regardless if they add George or another star, OR not.

And something tells me George isn't going to Cleveland either despite the rumors. I mean, if the price isn't high on George (since he's declared himself an LA-bound "rental" for now), I fail to see why the "third team" in the proposed deal won't just be willing to trade the few assets straight up for George. Are people REALLY interested in Kevin Love that much?

Anyways, I'd rather sign a max FA (Hayward or Griffin), and draft Tatum and #10 (Great chance Tatum could be there at #5, and if he is, trade down for #5 and #10). Keep building with young core and draft picks and once CLE's reign ends in 2 years, we can strike.

Who knows if Butler even stays here after the last 2 years of his deal are up.

I guess it would look good though if we essentially traded #1 for Butler + Top 5 Pick Next Year (Or 2019). But would Butler really help us against Cleveland? Does he do fairly well on his own in matchups against Lebron (Obviously no one can completely stop him, but some can do a good job making it real hard on him).

Anytime you can get an all star at a fair price isn't that a great move ? Most teams aren't giving up their all star unless you pay a huge ransom.

But is Butler worth giving quite a bit up for?

Obviously it will be a fairly steep price, but it could be less than what they originally want.

[dreamgreen]

It depends on so much, what are your real chances of landing Hayward or Griffin for that matter? Depending what you send back defines what you have left to offer a free agent. So many factors involved here it's to hard to say. But anytime you can get an all-star for what you perceive as "fair value" I think you have to do it. 

[Geo123]

There are several reasons but there are Butler haters on here.

1.  He's improved every year he's been in the league
2.  He's an excellent  2 way player
3.  He's on a reasonable contract for at least 2 more years
4.  He can guard multiple positions

and also as Steve Kyler said today

"Steve Kyler‏Verified account @stevekylerNBA  2h2 hours ago
The hardest thing in the NBA to obtain is an All-Star. Only 24 of them."

[KGBirdBias]

It's not a good idea to trade all that for Butler and include Zeller because we won't have the cap space then to sign Hayward/Griffin.

No to Butler.  Yes to Paul George rental if price is reasonable.

Otherwise, draft a player, sign a FA and be done with it.

This is where I've been for the past month. THe Bulls are acting like Butler is MJ. They keep jacking up the price. If they were about to trade Butler to Philly for #3 just because Ainge has more assets they ask for more.

[bdm860]

"Steve Kyler‏Verified account @stevekylerNBA  2h2 hours ago
The hardest thing in the NBA to obtain is an All-Star. Only 24 of them."

I like Butler, would love him on the C's, and agree with your points, but this quote is something that I disagree with as I've heard people say this before.  So allow me to air my grievances.

Sure, technically, there's a minimum of 24 All-Stars in any given season (this year there was 25, last year there was 26 due to injuries).  But in the not-so-technical sense there's really more.

For instance, if the C's sign Blake Griffin this year, would that not be signing an All-Star, because he wasn't one this year (or last even).

Same thing if the Spurs sign Chris Paul.  Is he not considered an All-Star player despite not being one this year?  Don't forget other non-All-Stars-this-year like Damian Lillard, LaMarcus Aldridge, Andre Drummond, etc., and then you can add All-Star caliber players who have yet to be selected like Beal, McCullom, Towns, Gobert, Conley, etc.   

Let's just say, all in all, I think there's more like 40 "All-Stars" in the not so technical sense at any given time.