Raptors' Demise a Good Lesson

[footey]

Article below is Carroll's thoughts on the Raptors, who he said were undermined by isolationist, one on one players (De Rozan, e.g.) who cut against the efforts to have a ball movement offense. Said a lot of it was based on lack of trust.

Obviously one of the reasons we thrive is that we work very hard to instill this system. But it is a reminder how important it is to keep it going. In that regard it will be very important for Tatum to balance his one on one capabilities with the ball movement system. And for IT not to try to do too much sometimes.

I think the Cavs, especially Kyrie, were victims of this problem as well.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19956654/demarre-carroll-says-lack-trust-doomed-toronto-raptors-year

[saltlover]

Luckily I don't think this will be too much of a problem.  The Celtics had both a very efficient offense last year, as well as one that generates a high number of assists.  Thomas' # of touches and dribbles per touch were not especially high for a PG, especially given his prolific scoring.  And as much as many of us will miss Bradley, substituting Hayward's passing for Bradley's will be a very real upgrade. 

Where the Celtics offense bogged down last year was at the opposite extreme from the Raptors -- no one aside from IT could create off the dribble and collapse a defense.  Hayward has that ability, and Tatum certainly looks to as well.  Too much isolation isn't a good thing, but neither is no isolation.  The best offenses can do both, depending what works best against a given defense.  We should have both in our repertoire a bit more this year.

I'm very excited for this offense.  It could be second to only the Warriors.

[Granath]

"Demise"?

They finished with 51 wins and actually have a better win projection than the Cs did. This is still a darn good team and I'd be really hesitant to predict their demise. I think they're about as good as they are going to get but stranger things have happened. I like the addition of CJ Miles to give them more scoring off the bench. Still, they're going to be a tough team this year.

I think it's a lot of sour grapes by Carroll because (a) he sucks and (b) because the Raptors shouldn't play more team ball. Is there another threat on that team besides those two who was underutilized? It's hard to look at that roster and think that Lucas Nogueira or Patrick Patterson deserved more touches.

[Who]

They need a better coach.

[HomerSapien]

They need a better coach.

I was a little surprised they didn't fire Dwayne Casey and promote Jerry Stackhouse from their D-League team this summer.  They've been stuck in neutral with the same core for a few years, and I thought that they'd try a switching coaches to see if a new voice could bring this group of players a little bit farther than Casey has.

[jay]

They need a better coach.

I was a little surprised they didn't fire Dwayne Casey and promote Jerry Stackhouse from their D-League team this summer.  They've been stuck in neutral with the same core for a few years, and I thought that they'd try a switching coaches to see if a new voice could bring this group of players a little bit farther than Casey has.

That makes sense, Stackhouse is starting to get major pub as a HC candidate

[liam]

They need a better coach.

When you're at a point where you can't really upgrade the talent, up grading the coach is the only way forward. They need someone who can coach this team in the playoffs. Regular season is one thing but in the playoffs you need a coach who can just the style of play over a seven game series.

[spikelovetheCelts]

They need a better coach.

I was a little surprised they didn't fire Dwayne Casey and promote Jerry Stackhouse from their D-League team this summer.  They've been stuck in neutral with the same core for a few years, and I thought that they'd try a switching coaches to see if a new voice could bring this group of players a little bit farther than Casey has.

This is Casey's last hurrah. NO ECF gone. IMO

That makes sense, Stackhouse is starting to get major pub as a HC candidate

[GreenWarrior]

"Demise"?

They finished with 51 wins and actually have a better win projection than the Cs did. This is still a darn good team and I'd be really hesitant to predict their demise. I think they're about as good as they are going to get but stranger things have happened. I like the addition of CJ Miles to give them more scoring off the bench. Still, they're going to be a tough team this year.

I think it's a lot of sour grapes by Carroll because (a) he sucks and (b) because the Raptors shouldn't play more team ball. Is there another threat on that team besides those two who was underutilized? It's hard to look at that roster and think that Lucas Nogueira or Patrick Patterson deserved more touches.

that team could only go so far. their stars are way overrated and they're a franchise that can't do anything else to add to those 2.

they've peaked, they're goin no where.