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Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« on: June 02, 2017, 04:29:06 PM »

Offline oldtype

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Celtics get: Kyle Anderson, DeJounte Murray, Spurs 2021 first round pick, Spurs 2020 second round pick
Spurs get: Isaiah Thomas

Why the Celtics do it
- We would only do this if we determined that we were building for the future. Realistically, even adding Gordon Hayward AND Paul George this summer would not make us much more than cannon fodder for the Warriors.  It may make sense to recalibrate around our young players while eyeing a move for Anthony Davis in 2020.  If we want to do that, we can't pay IT a max contract.

- Given the legendary season he just had it will be very difficult emotionally to move IT on, even if the numbers make sense.  Almost the only way you could justify it would be to move him to a team that 1) fits his play style; and 2) would be a legit title contender with him. In my opinion, there is only one such team in the NBA: the San Antonio Spurs.

- We get free looks at two decent young rotation players, and the spare draft picks give us loose assets that we will need when we push all in for a title in 2020 and beyond. Having the Nets picks every year has spoiled us a bit, but normally it's pretty useful to have some random first rounders lying around if only to be liquid assets for a trade.  This is admittedly not a great return for IT4, but it may not be too far off the best we can get given that he is on an expiring deal and most agree that his next contract will be a bad one.  The alternative may be letting him walk for nothing.

Why the Spurs do it
- It's a point-guard driven league, and if they miss out on Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry, the Spurs need a long-term replacement for Parker who can take them to the next level. Murray has shown flashes, but this team needs to be good now while Kawhi is in his prime and Popovich is setting his sights on one last dynasty before riding off to the sunset.

- The Spurs are basically the perfect spot for IT4.  They already have over a decade's-worth of organizational experience covering for a small PG who plays very little defense.  IT would have a backcourt-mate who could take the more challenging guard assignment (Green), an all-galaxy defender who can clean up any of his mistakes (Kawhi), and probably some simulacrum of rim protection from whatever European center/undrafted rookie I've never heard of that they'll turn into a rotation player next.  In return, IT would give them one of the top creators in the entire NBA, giving them a viable offensive gameplan beyond "Go Kawhi Go!"

- Because IT's contract is so small this year, the Spurs would still be able to use the remainder of their cap space, which would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 25m if Gasol declines his option.  Even if, say, Gordon Hayward or Blake Griffin is a pipe dream, they could easily add someone like Paul Milsap or Serge Ibaka.  An IT-Green-Kawhi-Milsap-Aldridge lineup would be a legit challenger to the Warriors.


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Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 04:35:14 PM »

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IT4 not a Popovich kind of player

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 04:37:56 PM »

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As it stands, the Celtics will have 7-9 players on their roster next year who are on their rookie deal (1st or 2nd round).  They have 5 more 1st rounders the following two seasons.  What is the point of trading a franchise player for two more guys on rookie deals and a late 1st in a few years?  Even if IT walks it's still just better to keep him for next year than to trade him for that non-bonanza.

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Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2017, 04:40:54 PM »

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I'd do it if IT requested a trade.

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2017, 04:45:26 PM »

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Yuck.

That is what IT is worth? 2nd team all NBA??

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 04:46:01 PM »

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You are right. It's crazy

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 04:48:22 PM »

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I am open to trading IT for the right deal, but that is def not the right deal.

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 04:49:16 PM »

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Now that tanking is out of the question, we have the "Trade IT for poop" crowd.

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 04:50:15 PM »

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Something is better than nothing, and I'm of the mind that if you're going to trade him you have to trade him to a great situation. You can't just flip him to Orlando or something.

Not saying I want him gone, but if we are going to trade him this is probably what I'd do.


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Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 04:59:41 PM »

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My eyes are bleeding.  Could we at least sweeten the deal by getting a 2nd for Horford?
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Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 05:01:20 PM »

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My eyes are bleeding.  Could we at least sweeten the deal by getting a 2nd for Horford?
its gotta be top 55 protected tho

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 05:07:35 PM »

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Something is better than nothing, and I'm of the mind that if you're going to trade him you have to trade him to a great situation. You can't just flip him to Orlando or something.

Not saying I want him gone, but if we are going to trade him this is probably what I'd do.

Something is not necessarily better than nothing.  Or at least not the way you describe something.

I'd much rather have IT next year, even if Fultz ultimately takes away his job in the middle of the season and IT leaves as a free agent than trade him for table scraps, scaring off potential free agents for a decade.

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 05:08:44 PM »

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Something is better than nothing, and I'm of the mind that if you're going to trade him you have to trade him to a great situation. You can't just flip him to Orlando or something.

Not saying I want him gone, but if we are going to trade him this is probably what I'd do.

Something is not necessarily better than nothing.  Or at least not the way you describe something.

I'd much rather have IT next year, even if Fultz ultimately takes away his job in the middle of the season and IT leaves as a free agent than trade him for table scraps, scaring off potential free agents for a decade.

Are the optics of letting him walk because we won't offer him a max contract better than the optics of trading him to a good situation? That's part of the calculus for me.

Again, I stress, I love IT and I don't want him to go. But I'm trying to figure out the least bad solution if we decide that he's not part of the future.


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Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2017, 05:14:45 PM »

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Something is better than nothing, and I'm of the mind that if you're going to trade him you have to trade him to a great situation. You can't just flip him to Orlando or something.

Not saying I want him gone, but if we are going to trade him this is probably what I'd do.

Something is not necessarily better than nothing.  Or at least not the way you describe something.

I'd much rather have IT next year, even if Fultz ultimately takes away his job in the middle of the season and IT leaves as a free agent than trade him for table scraps, scaring off potential free agents for a decade.

Are the optics of letting him walk because we won't offer him a max contract better than the optics of trading him to a good situation? That's part of the calculus for me.

Again, I stress, I love IT and I don't want him to go. But I'm trying to figure out the least bad solution if we decide that he's not part of the future.

Yes, the optics are much better after the number 1 pick takes his job, rather than beforehand.  Especially since a) there are free agents to pursue this summer, and b) if Fultz is practically all-NBA worthy as a rookie, he'll be a good enough draw on his own.  And there will be fewer hard feelings.

Mind you, I don't expect that Fultz will prove himself so quickly, but if he doesn't, it makes trading IT pre-emptively even worse.

Re: Crazy idea: IT4 to SAS
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2017, 06:03:18 PM »

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You are crazy
IT4 for Kawhi and picks is the only deal i will do