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Offline CelticPride2016

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Just look at Marcus Smart's stats on offense. One would have to be blind to not see he is the best NBA defensive guard. Bradley might be #2. The reason it is working out is not only due to injuries freeing up time. Smart developed point guard skills. No one is missing Evan Turner for that.

He is averaging 4.5 assists to 2.1 turnovers. He has always averaged at least a two to one ratio each of the three years.

He has not put certain things together yet. In baseball, it's when the starters are good, where is the bullpen, and vice-versa. Or the pitching is good, but where is the hitting?

Free throws and shooting.....

In year one, he shot 33.5% at threes. While that is not extra special, most seem to agree that is a serviceable number. Unfortunately in his rookie year he shot twos at only 41% and free throws at 64.6%. He looked inept like a Rondo or Tony Allen.

For this year, his threes could use a strong finish as he currently stands at 29.9%. But for the other two stats, he is doing serviceable to very good. He is up to 43.5% for twos and 78.9% for free throws.

In conclusion, it's not a pipe dream to assume Smart will become at least serviceable at shooting. He's not another Rondo.

Jaylen Brown happened.

Amir looks springy. He is a great role player when healthy.

For all the letdown with Horford (just remembering the way he played in the first week or two after the concussion), we still have him instead of Sully for the playoffs. We have Isaiah.

Jae Crowder needed to prove he wasn't a fluke. He has gone beyond that to perhaps become our best dollar for dollar asset.

Bradley keeps happening so much that we seem to have a Big Three. It may be a poor man's Big Three, but I contend it is one with a puncher's chance since the roster has quality depth.

The season is definitely dragging on and on at this point, like my comments.

The Golden State game should be a nice cup of basketball coffee. That should wake everyone up.

If we keep the #2 seed and are healthy, these 20 games will truly seal the deal for a 2016-17 identity. Finishing 10-10 will give us 50 wins. I doubt anyone thinks we'll be that mediocre. 15-5 gives us 55 wins. That to me signifies we are only one player away. I assume we are going to easily win round one. I have a feeling we are headed towards the Eastern Conference Finals and quite possibly the Finals.

Next up is Phoenix. Then Clippers and Golden State. Opposite barometers, from cupcakes to the elites.

I'd like us to go 4-1 or even 5-0 on the road trip. 2-3 would be painful with 3-2 inconclusive.

The end of the schedule is going to become extremely easy. The road games against the Clippers and Warriors may give us a preview of what to expect for playoff performance.

Otherwise, it's going to be a lot of grind it out, yawn, on comes the passage of time, and then we can really strap on the seat belts for the real stuff.

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Then people must be blind, if you ask players they'll tell you Bradley is the best perimeter defender.  Read comments recently from Dillard for one.

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I have to say, I do think Bradley is the better defensive player between him and Smart, but it's close.

Bradley is definitely more well equipped to handle quick guards. I would much rather put Bradley on Curry. Bradley seems to do better against guys like DeRozan too.

Smart does seem to handle bigger, stronger players a bit better. Smart can reasonably defend the 3 and even sometimes the 4. Bradley cannot do that, he's too slightly built.

Ultimately they are both really good defenders, but with the league being so PG centric these days, Bradley carries a bit more value.

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Then people must be blind, if you ask players they'll tell you Bradley is the best perimeter defender.  Read comments recently from Dillard for one.

Best perimeter defender does not equal best defensive NBA guard.  Smart defends forwards in the post better than forwards do.

Offline CelticPride2016

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The eye test says Smart is a better defender than Bradley.

They are both great at it. I respect people who pick Bradley. The nice thing is that Marcus developed his point guard skills, so they become less redundant.

And it's not just the eye test. Hustle stats seem to back me up. Although Avery is dominating with rebounding. That must be the system. Big guys are supposed to box out as the primary goal with little guys swooping in to clean it up.

Debbie Downer might point out that if Danny adds on a phenom guard from the draft, it is going to get extremely crowded in the back court to go with expiring contracts.

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http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4725219/marcus-smart-is-more-valuable-than-you-think

"Marcus Smart more valuable than you think to Celtics"

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The NBA recently added "hustle stats" to its tracking database. Thumb through and you'll see Smart's name everywhere. He's the Celtics' leader in total loose balls recovered (48) and deflections (143). He leads Boston in contested 3-point shots (162) and, among the team's guards, he is tops in contested shots overall (319).

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http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4725219/marcus-smart-is-more-valuable-than-you-think

"Marcus Smart more valuable than you think to Celtics"

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The NBA recently added "hustle stats" to its tracking database. Thumb through and you'll see Smart's name everywhere. He's the Celtics' leader in total loose balls recovered (48) and deflections (143). He leads Boston in contested 3-point shots (162) and, among the team's guards, he is tops in contested shots overall (319).

I found those stats a few days ago when looking for charges drawn from our guys (also where I noticed AB has miraculously not drawn any charges despite being the best perimeter defender in the league).

I was hoping to get a decent deal on re-signing Marcus next year - hopefully these stats don't 'take off' and become a huge difference maker in contract value.

KO haters should also take a look at those stats - his name is right up there in a number of categories in somewhat limited minutes.

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The Smart v Bradley debate tells us we have two great defenders. Both who are now contributing as point scorers - something this team requires with so much reliance on IT for scoring. I don't care if people rate Smart as the best, I don't care if people rate AB as the best and I don't care if people rate them as equal - I care that the Celtics have both of them.

I agree with the overall premise of the OP. Things are coming together for this team. They can beat any team though they struggle to dominate teams. When the team is  fully healthy opponents will struggle to dominate them. Last year at this time many people had their eyes on free agency and the draft and little attention seemed to be given to the Celtics' play off chances. This year the team is better and better placed, I don't think any team will sweep them.

The last two years of Play off experience and with Stevens being more experienced in his role suggests to me things will be different this time around.

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Smart has a much better plus and minus rating than Bradley.
Winning plays.

Offline CelticPride2016

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Danny stole Isaiah from Phoenix. If by chance he walks, it's not like Danny mortgaged the team to get and then lose him. He stole high draft picks from the Nets. He stole Crowder from Dallas?

No one will care if Danny is a genius, lucky or a combination if we become a top team. I think we are already there, but I concede there is a drop-off from the top two or three to top five.

The haters tend to have very bad timing. It's very easy to condemn players through opinion, but it often backfires. It did with me in regards to James Young. I could feel the tension within myself as he started showing consistency on both ends. How could I be so wrong? Am I rooting against him? Is it more important for my opinion to be true than to admit I was an idiot?

As long as Brad doesn't turn into Doc and starts playing three little guys too much at the same time, there are no worries this year.

Crowder and Brown share no tension despite playing the same position. Jaylen went to SG with Jae at SF and it worked.

Smart took leaps with his point guard skills and now both he and Avery can play effectively at the same time.

One guy can't play all 48 minutes, so a little redundancy doesn't have to necessarily backfire.

I think Danny is trying something new because of his unique position of both competing and tanking through a second team.

He has stretched the roster so there is quality from one to fifteen. No Fab Melo's. No James Young's before he improved. No RJ's.

Fireworks are being created from within.

Danny doesn't want to end up like Cleveland depleting all resources and then having no chance to improve unless it's through tapping into the NBA waste pile.

Maybe Danny will lose guys along the way. Say Isaiah walks. I'll say this about Thomas. He may be worth $30 million, but that's only because the team rallies around him and does a lot of dirty work and hustling on defense. No way is Al Horford providing $25-30 million dollars' worth of basketball.

We needed Al though to make the next leap. I'm not sure that by the end of next year we will still be dependent on Isaiah. It's interesting to think about.

I didn't think Smart would improve this much. I have always accepted he is upper echelon for defense, but he has hurt us too much on offense. Now he is no longer destroying us with his shooting.

If Oklahoma couldn't keep Harden, why would we expect to be able to keep all our top players as they enter prime years?

The other possibility is that Danny does do a bit of fireworks trading the Brooklyn pick or otherwise not creating a point guard controversy, resigns Isaiah, Avery and Smart with Brown as the fourth guard.

I could see that working out.

Danny Ainge is basically sitting pretty. He has the kind of problems a team wants or will eventually have due to success. He doesn't want to end up like Philly with too much redundancy, then teams will low-ball him in trades which is how one usually ends up having players walk for nothing in return or for chicken feed.

It is definitely in Ainge's interest for players to not take too many leaps too soon. Look at Bradley. Look at Rondo's second contract. Danny has a decent track record at signing guys at the right time. Rondo. Bradley. And now Crowder.

As to Olynyk, Danny has to figure out if he is ultimately a scrub (too passive or unconfident) or someone to roll dice on like done with Bradley at $32 million/4 years.

So, it is sort of helpful that Olynyk and Smart haven't become too good, too soon.

Danny is headed towards the end game. At some point, he will go all-in or already has and is just waiting it out for internal growth. We will go into the luxury tax. It's probably a matter of a year or two. He will still need some luck. It would be very helpful if Zizic becomes a better than average center for this potential dynasty in the making.

I think Danny's blind spot is center and thus why he will need continued luck.

I also think we are a much better team this year than 2015-16. Like they mentioned in the last pregame, we may not be winning as many blowouts this year, but at least we are finishing off games better. The point is to win games. You don't get extra wins for dominating.

We will eventually dominate and get into a flow, but that could take another year or two. I watched a youtube video of Larry Bird dominating Michael Jordan. I think we are next in line. Say there were the Lakers and Celtics.... then Detroit took over. Then Chicago took over.

If I had to guess, most of us are giddy waiting to see how good and fast Jaylen can develop. He took some rookie lumps and is still standing. He looks kind of like a young Michael Jordan, just comparing what I see in our games and the old film.

Jaylen will be 21 in October. He has transcendent talent. Marcus turns 23 tomorrow.

Our future core is only 21 and 23. This implies a ten year run has only just begun or soon.