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Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2016, 08:02:22 AM »

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As the team is still one or two players short the pressure is on KO and a number of players to prove themselves as part of the Celtics future. Young players in nearly every position waiting their opportunity and someone established possibly being part of any package to bring the next upgrade in means you must perform consistently.

DA's statement that the price being asked for the players he was chasing was too much means he sees value in assets like KO. There were probably many varied packages tabled during the last few months and it is difficult to say what the whole packages were or what part KO made up of any, if any at all. End result though, he is valuable enough to be a Celtic still.

At this point KO should be ready to step up in terms of responsibility and contribution, or he is just what he has been. He has been good and shown great potential but there comes a time when potential must turn into product. The older, stronger body and a couple of small improvements here and there would add to his value to the team significantly. I believe he has it in him to make that improvement, the season will tell.
Nice post, TP Greyman.  I feel KO could be an outstanding stretch-5.  This will allow Horford to play more 4 which is better for him at this stage of his career.  KO is likely the backup 5 to Amir to start the season with Zeller the 3rd stringer.  Not an outstanding set of centers but adequate until possibly a trade deadline deal (Boogie).

Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2016, 09:05:53 AM »

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Kelly Olynyk's current and future performance is at best going to have a trivial impact on what the front office does.

He's a plus-level role player who at age 25 is probably never going to get much better. In a trade for any good player, we'd give him up in a heartbeat and never think twice about it.

Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2016, 10:13:34 AM »

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I've heard it said that bigs take longer to come into their own.

KO has so many tools and so many unique traits for a big man, if he can put it all together and learn to bring it every day he could be awesome

This may be the year that he shows us if he is on the way to putting it all together.

Or it could be another year of slow progress and frustrating inconcistancy.
If that's the case then next year he will likely be working to put it all together on another team.
that's always been the issue with KO.  if he actually showed up for every game playing aggressively, C's would become a level better.  not Cleveland level but probably the clear-cut second best team in the East.

Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2016, 11:31:39 AM »

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I've heard it said that bigs take longer to come into their own.

KO has so many tools and so many unique traits for a big man, if he can put it all together and learn to bring it every day he could be awesome

This may be the year that he shows us if he is on the way to putting it all together.

Or it could be another year of slow progress and frustrating inconcistancy.
If that's the case then next year he will likely be working to put it all together on another team.
that's always been the issue with KO.  if he actually showed up for every game playing aggressively, C's would become a level better.  not Cleveland level but probably the clear-cut second best team in the East.

It's too bad the Celts never had a bonafide center to stick beside KO.  Or an under the basket guard dog pf like Ibaka

Then he could just play his game on both ends to his preference.  Which is on the defensive end, just being all over the place, taking away lane space and "help"  under the basket for rebounds, alter shots etc.


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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2016, 01:11:25 PM »

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KO needs to grow up and grow a pair and get in the best shape of his life, get ripped, lose the Pillsbury Dough boy body and get a mean streak on O and D, otherwise he will be nothing more than another player that people will talk about for the next 20 years as a "what could have been" player.    Dito Sully.

Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2016, 02:09:21 PM »

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I've heard it said that bigs take longer to come into their own.

KO has so many tools and so many unique traits for a big man, if he can pull it all together and learn to bring it every day he could be awesome

This may be the year that he shows us if he is on the way to putting it all together.

Or it could be another year of slow progress and frustrating inconcistancy.
If that's the case then next year he will likely be working to put it all together on another team.
lol at "bigs take more time to come into their own".  Try saying that in one of the countless Philly threads and they'll brain ya.   A philly big better be a superstar by age 20 or his career is over.  Heh

Olynyk is 25 years old.  He is what he is.  But that said, I've long believed he could do more with more minutes.  He's consistently one of our best shooters.  And his per minute numbers suggest he could average as much as 17 points with enough consistent starter minutes (36 per night).  I've been waiting to see us start him for a while. I still think he has it in him.   That would be more about a change in role than sudden development, though. 

Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2016, 03:32:19 PM »

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I've heard it said that bigs take longer to come into their own.

KO has so many tools and so many unique traits for a big man, if he can pull it all together and learn to bring it every day he could be awesome

This may be the year that he shows us if he is on the way to putting it all together.

Or it could be another year of slow progress and frustrating inconcistancy.
If that's the case then next year he will likely be working to put it all together on another team.
lol at "bigs take more time to come into their own".  Try saying that in one of the countless Philly threads and they'll brain ya.   A philly big better be a superstar by age 20 or his career is over.  Heh

Olynyk is 25 years old.  He is what he is.  But that said, I've long believed he could do more with more minutes.  He's consistently one of our best shooters.  And his per minute numbers suggest he could average as much as 17 points with enough consistent starter minutes (36 per night).  I've been waiting to see us start him for a while. I still think he has it in him.   That would be more about a change in role than sudden development, though.

Agreed, however he looks like he is still developing physically.
Especially his upper body, if he bulks up a bit and finds that he can manhandle opponents it may trigger the alpha in him.
 

Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2016, 04:21:49 PM »

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Still too passive on offense.

Disappears too many games.

Needs a dose of junk yard dog attitude


Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2016, 04:25:04 PM »

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KO needs to do 3 things:

1. stop reaching on defense
2. shoot more
3. take it to the basket more, I like it when he takes it to the hoop
amen


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Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2016, 01:41:25 AM »

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Is he a lock to start?  Or will they start Amir and Horford ? 

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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2016, 02:11:14 AM »

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Is he a lock to start?  Or will they start Amir and Horford ?
Definitely not a lock.

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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2016, 02:26:44 AM »

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Is he a lock to start?  Or will they start Amir and Horford ?
Definitely not a lock.

I wouldn't mind seeing a lineup with KO/Amir/Big Al at some for a test run. In the mould of OKC's Durant, Ibaka, Adams/Kanter. Whilst KO is not quite as good as Durant, although getting very close, he can still put it on the floor a bit.
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Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2016, 05:42:26 AM »

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Olynyk is a quite underrated in a number of areas. 

People really only credit him for his ability to shoot jumpers and for his passing ability, but he's much more then that.

Firstly, Olynyk is actually a much better inside finisher then he's given credit for.  In every one of his three seasons he's taken at least 35% of his FGA inside three feet, and he's never shot less then 65% on those attempts.  Take a look at other NBA players out there and you'll see that those are extremely good numbers. 

The reason is that (much like Paul Pierce) he isn't the quickest guy out there, but he does a fantastic job of reading how the defense is playing him and reacting accordingly.  He's got very good footwork, good ball handling skills and outstanding basketball IQ. 

He'll bait the defense by setting up for a shot, and when they run at him (which they almost always have to, thanks to his impressive shooting ability) he'll put it on the floor, drive hard to the basket, and use their own momentum against them.  By doing this he actually gets in to the paint pretty frequently.

When he does get in the paint, he's a very tough cover.  He's a MUCH more crafty scorer around the basket then given credit for, so if you let him in the paint he'll get an easy layup. 

If  the defense doesn't step up and challenge him, he can pull up for the little midrange jumper which (at his height) is very tough to defend.  If the defense over-helps and tries to trap him, then he is arguably at his most dangerous - at his height and with his court vision, he'll consistently find the open man. 

This is why when Kelly drives, good things almost always happen.  Either he gets a jumper, he gets a layup, he kicks it out to an open three point shooter, or he finds an open main in the paint once the interior defenders slide over. 

There have been times where in the space of 8-10 game minutes KO has managed only 2 points, and 2 assists, and yet he's had a hand in just about every single basket the Celtics scored over that stretch.  When you actually stop and really watch him play - the things he does when he's NOT scoring the ball - you can see how much of an impact he has on the team's offense.  It's huge.

Defense is another area where he isn't given nearly enough credit.  Again he reminds me a lot of Pierce on D in that Pierce was never a great athlete and never had elite length or lateral quickness, but somehow he always managed to make things hard on opposing wings defensively.  He did that by using his mind and out-thinking the opponents.  Olynyk is a master at that.

Watch KO play defense and you'll notice how high his defensive IQ really is.  He uses angles exceptionally well to force guys into awkward positions, force guys towards shot blockers, etc.  He'll get right into an opponent's face and force them to shoot over his (not inconsiderable) height, often leading to missed shots.  He's got a quick eye and active hands - knocks away a lot of loose balls, gets a surprising number of steals.

Most importantly he's almost always aware of what's going on.  When there are missed rotations and a ball is about to get passed out to an open perimeter shooter, he'll start running out to the shooter before the ball has even left the passer's hand.  By the time the shooter catches the ball and starts to get into a shooting motion, there's a big 7-foot man with fuzzy hair flying their way.  He is very good at reading what the offense is going to do and reacting as/before they do it.

Another thing KO is really good at on defense - taking charges.  He moves better laterally then he's given credit for, and he's really good at picking when a defender is gong to drive, sliding over, and taking the hit. 

Even his shot-blocking is better then advertised - his past two seasons he's averaged up around a block per 36.  Not exactly a scary rim protector there, but he does affect some shots around the basket from time to time.

His rebounding is a weakness unquestionably (at least it was the past two seasons), but KO other then that KO is a much more "all round" player then people credit him for.  He's got to be one of the highest BBIQ bigs in the league, and he makes very good use of it.  Very fundamentally sound player. 

He is a few ounces of swagger short of being a really, really good player.
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Re: KO playing a significant role on the path Front Office takes with team
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2016, 07:25:18 AM »

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He is a few ounces of swagger short of being a really, really good player.

I think good player is sufficient.   Really, really good is a superstar which he is not.  Some under rate hm but it is clear some over rate as well.