Noel

[heyvik]

The other argument for Noel is that he looks like he'll be a modern center. He can't shoot but what you really need from a modern center is the ability to protect the rim and switch onto wings in the perimeter. Noel has the athleticism to do that and there aren't that many of those guys out there.

He's limited offensively, but he can finish around the rim and is, again, a terrific athlete, meaning he could easily be for any team what Tyson Chandler was for the Mavs in '11 as a rim runner that sucks defenses in toward the rim.

I don't know that he's worth the #3 alone but he's definitely the type of player I'd like to see come to Boston.

I think Danny sees him as a DeAndre Jordan. Think about how hard Danny wanted DeAndre and Bledsoe in 2011. Plus he's a local from Revere-I think.

[loco_91]

I really like Noel, and I think he'll be worth the max next season. That said, the cap calculus is a serious consideration. If you trade for Okafor, you have double-max cap space next year and then you can go over the cap to re-sign him later. Noel as a RFA is only a ~$8m cap hold, but still that's enough to eliminate your double-max room without trading away a good player or some rookie contracts.

[jpotter33]

just another article with Noel being pursued by DA..

http://www.chatsports.com/nba/a/latest-nba-rumors-nba-draft-trades-celtics-targeting-nerlens-noel-and-ben-mclemore-trade-29550

I would love to pick him up at a good price... 16th pick and Smart would work for me

I actually think it's the other way around - there's a standing offer from Philly for Okafor or Noel for #3. Danny is just trying better trades before going for the Philly offer.

[jpotter33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJZ0H-lEvb0

This is the rim protector that we've all been dying for for years. He's going to end up being a better version of Deandre Jordan. Yeah, I went there! The kid has basically averaged 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, and 2 steals per 36 minutes his first two years, which is absolutely unheard of from a young big like that. His athleticism allows him to be just as effective as a temporary perimeter defender on switches as he is a post defender. When combined with the perimeter defenders of Smart, Crowder, and Avery and paired up with a floor spacing big like KO (or even Love), he'd be an excellent get for us that would patrol our paint for years to come. And he's only 22!

[JBcat]

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that Noel is a (restricted) free agent after this upcoming season?

I am very bothered by it. It's not like we are talking Anthony Davis or Cousins here, Noel is a nice defensive player, but I will be very upset if we trade the #3 for him.

DA, just sign Biyombo - Noel will be making at least as much next year anyway!

I'm not bothered much by trading 3rd pick but we should get more assets in return like the lakers pick

I agree here. Aim high. Get that Lakers pick next year and while we are at it the Kings pick in 2019. Hold the 76rs hostage if they really want Dunn.

[hpantazo]

Even if Noel would be are only addition this summer, our defense would be the best n he league if we add his presence down low with our top tier perimeter defenders in Bradley, Crowder, and Smart. Everyone has been clamoring for a legit shot blocker in the middle, now that we have a chance to grab one, who is also only 22, everyone is complaining.

You guys are crazy to insist they thrown in future lottery picks alon with Noel for Dunn. The fact that they even have interest in Dunn and it can land us a legit young big man talent is very fortunate for us.

[Big333223]

The other argument for Noel is that he looks like he'll be a modern center. He can't shoot but what you really need from a modern center is the ability to protect the rim and switch onto wings in the perimeter. Noel has the athleticism to do that and there aren't that many of those guys out there.

He's limited offensively, but he can finish around the rim and is, again, a terrific athlete, meaning he could easily be for any team what Tyson Chandler was for the Mavs in '11 as a rim runner that sucks defenses in toward the rim.

I don't know that he's worth the #3 alone but he's definitely the type of player I'd like to see come to Boston.

I think Danny sees him as a DeAndre Jordan. Think about how hard Danny wanted DeAndre and Bledsoe in 2011. Plus he's a local from Revere-I think.

Exactly.

Nerlens isn't as strong as Deandre but he's got better hands and better instincts on offense and on defense he's more well rounded, blocking less shots but getting more steals and probably affecting as many shots. I'd definitely rather have Nerlens than Deandre.

[Ilikesports17]

The other argument for Noel is that he looks like he'll be a modern center. He can't shoot but what you really need from a modern center is the ability to protect the rim and switch onto wings in the perimeter. Noel has the athleticism to do that and there aren't that many of those guys out there.

He's limited offensively, but he can finish around the rim and is, again, a terrific athlete, meaning he could easily be for any team what Tyson Chandler was for the Mavs in '11 as a rim runner that sucks defenses in toward the rim.

I don't know that he's worth the #3 alone but he's definitely the type of player I'd like to see come to Boston.

I think Danny sees him as a DeAndre Jordan. Think about how hard Danny wanted DeAndre and Bledsoe in 2011. Plus he's a local from Revere-I think.

Exactly.

Nerlens isn't as strong as Deandre but he's got better hands and better instincts on offense and on defense he's more well rounded, blocking less shots but getting more steals and probably affecting as many shots. I'd definitely rather have Nerlens than Deandre.

He is miles worse as a rebounder.

[greenrunsdeep41]

Robert Parish is his ceiling with a little more hops/shot blocking ability.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/nerlens_noel_vs_robert_parish.htm

[jpotter33]

The other argument for Noel is that he looks like he'll be a modern center. He can't shoot but what you really need from a modern center is the ability to protect the rim and switch onto wings in the perimeter. Noel has the athleticism to do that and there aren't that many of those guys out there.

He's limited offensively, but he can finish around the rim and is, again, a terrific athlete, meaning he could easily be for any team what Tyson Chandler was for the Mavs in '11 as a rim runner that sucks defenses in toward the rim.

I don't know that he's worth the #3 alone but he's definitely the type of player I'd like to see come to Boston.

I think Danny sees him as a DeAndre Jordan. Think about how hard Danny wanted DeAndre and Bledsoe in 2011. Plus he's a local from Revere-I think.

Exactly.

Nerlens isn't as strong as Deandre but he's got better hands and better instincts on offense and on defense he's more well rounded, blocking less shots but getting more steals and probably affecting as many shots. I'd definitely rather have Nerlens than Deandre.

He is miles worse as a rebounder.

Not necessarily. In Deandre's first year playing major minutes, he had virtually identical per-36 rebounding numbers to Noel, and he was actually a year older than Noel. Noel is an elite rebounder, but Okafor's presence hurt him a lot this season by having him more out on the perimeter defensively.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

[Ilikesports17]

The other argument for Noel is that he looks like he'll be a modern center. He can't shoot but what you really need from a modern center is the ability to protect the rim and switch onto wings in the perimeter. Noel has the athleticism to do that and there aren't that many of those guys out there.

He's limited offensively, but he can finish around the rim and is, again, a terrific athlete, meaning he could easily be for any team what Tyson Chandler was for the Mavs in '11 as a rim runner that sucks defenses in toward the rim.

I don't know that he's worth the #3 alone but he's definitely the type of player I'd like to see come to Boston.

I think Danny sees him as a DeAndre Jordan. Think about how hard Danny wanted DeAndre and Bledsoe in 2011. Plus he's a local from Revere-I think.

Exactly.

Nerlens isn't as strong as Deandre but he's got better hands and better instincts on offense and on defense he's more well rounded, blocking less shots but getting more steals and probably affecting as many shots. I'd definitely rather have Nerlens than Deandre.

He is miles worse as a rebounder.

Not necessarily. In Deandre's first year playing major minutes, he had virtually identical per-36 rebounding numbers to Noel, and he was actually a year older than Noel. Noel is an elite rebounder, but Okafor's presence hurt him a lot this season by having him more out on the perimeter defensively.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Wow, those numbers are certainly suprising to me. I had always felt Noel was a mediocre-poor rebounder. This makes me even more excited about potentially acquiring him.

Although I dont trust any stats on any Philly players especially the bigs.

Also, the year you pulled (Jordan's 3rd year) happened to be his career worst rebounding numbers by a decent margin and they are still better than Noel's.

[jpotter33]

The other argument for Noel is that he looks like he'll be a modern center. He can't shoot but what you really need from a modern center is the ability to protect the rim and switch onto wings in the perimeter. Noel has the athleticism to do that and there aren't that many of those guys out there.

He's limited offensively, but he can finish around the rim and is, again, a terrific athlete, meaning he could easily be for any team what Tyson Chandler was for the Mavs in '11 as a rim runner that sucks defenses in toward the rim.

I don't know that he's worth the #3 alone but he's definitely the type of player I'd like to see come to Boston.

I think Danny sees him as a DeAndre Jordan. Think about how hard Danny wanted DeAndre and Bledsoe in 2011. Plus he's a local from Revere-I think.

Exactly.

Nerlens isn't as strong as Deandre but he's got better hands and better instincts on offense and on defense he's more well rounded, blocking less shots but getting more steals and probably affecting as many shots. I'd definitely rather have Nerlens than Deandre.

He is miles worse as a rebounder.

Not necessarily. In Deandre's first year playing major minutes, he had virtually identical per-36 rebounding numbers to Noel, and he was actually a year older than Noel. Noel is an elite rebounder, but Okafor's presence hurt him a lot this season by having him more out on the perimeter defensively.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Wow, those numbers are certainly suprising to me. I had always felt Noel was a mediocre-poor rebounder. This makes me even more excited about potentially acquiring him.

Although I dont trust any stats on any Philly players especially the bigs.

Why is that? I could certainly see where you're talking about Okafor's scoring, but rebounding doesn't seem to be the same type of issue. By all accounts, Noel is a very high-level rebounder.

[Ilikesports17]

The other argument for Noel is that he looks like he'll be a modern center. He can't shoot but what you really need from a modern center is the ability to protect the rim and switch onto wings in the perimeter. Noel has the athleticism to do that and there aren't that many of those guys out there.

He's limited offensively, but he can finish around the rim and is, again, a terrific athlete, meaning he could easily be for any team what Tyson Chandler was for the Mavs in '11 as a rim runner that sucks defenses in toward the rim.

I don't know that he's worth the #3 alone but he's definitely the type of player I'd like to see come to Boston.

I think Danny sees him as a DeAndre Jordan. Think about how hard Danny wanted DeAndre and Bledsoe in 2011. Plus he's a local from Revere-I think.

Exactly.

Nerlens isn't as strong as Deandre but he's got better hands and better instincts on offense and on defense he's more well rounded, blocking less shots but getting more steals and probably affecting as many shots. I'd definitely rather have Nerlens than Deandre.

He is miles worse as a rebounder.

Not necessarily. In Deandre's first year playing major minutes, he had virtually identical per-36 rebounding numbers to Noel, and he was actually a year older than Noel. Noel is an elite rebounder, but Okafor's presence hurt him a lot this season by having him more out on the perimeter defensively.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Wow, those numbers are certainly suprising to me. I had always felt Noel was a mediocre-poor rebounder. This makes me even more excited about potentially acquiring him.

Although I dont trust any stats on any Philly players especially the bigs.

Why is that? I could certainly see where you're talking about Okafor's scoring, but rebounding doesn't seem to be the same type of issue. By all accounts, Noel is a very high-level rebounder.

I just dont trust it. They play more against back-ups, they get teams giving half effort, there is little organization, then there's the Okafor Noel issue where they dont fit together.