Ainge on draft workouts

[Celts Fan 508]

I like the pick of Rozier too. He's a scorer who can defend.  We can't have enough of those.

Heinsohn is right.  jerebko is going to be better than anyone this draft.

Think we can trade JJ for KAT or Porzingis?

[crimson_stallion]

Dunn is a good player but he would be useless on our team. He's the player who makes the least sense n I don't want another Smart on our team. We have other needs n that would only log jam us even more at the guard position. All set with Dunn. I'd like to draft Buddy Heild, Brown or Murray. Bender if he will turn out to be a special player but if he is to much of a risk I'd rather go another route. But drafting Dunn would be stupid on our part. We already have a point guard who can't shoot n plays defense. I don't see the logic in that move what so ever.

I'm not so sure.

Dunn is a pretty significant upgrade over Marcus Smart, and seems to be a singificant upgrade over Bradley too if I'm to be honest. 

Contrary to what people claim he actually has plenty adequate size to play the SG spot - at 6'4" / 200l+ pounds with a 6'9" wingspan he has Dwyane Wade size, is at least a match for Wade's athleticism, and also has Wade's competitive fire and his defensive intensity. 

I think a lot of people also forget that Wade is that (like Dunn) was true combo guard.  By that I mean he had the quickness, court vision and ball handling ability to be a full time point guard, and he also had the size and scoring ability to be a full time SG.  He even played PG as his primary position when he first came in to the league, and put up something like 17 / 6 / 6 in his rookie year.

In fact the only real major red flag with Wade was his jump shot - Kris Dunn shot 37% from three this year (no idea why people criticise his jumper so much).

Dunn is really, really good.  He is one of the few guys in this draft who I think ha almost zero chance of being a bust - he is every bit as talented as guys like Dwyane Wade, John Wall, Gary Payton and Damian Lillard were when they entered the league.

If you get a chance to draft a guy that talented, you don't turn it down because you have guys like Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart on your roster.

[walker834]

I like the pick of Rozier too. He's a scorer who can defend.  We can't have enough of those.

Heinsohn is right.  jerebko is going to be better than anyone this draft.

Think we can trade JJ for KAT or Porzingis?

Funny thing is porzingis was the guy i was targetting and jerebko ended up being the guy who was starting at the end of the year.  Rozier ended up being that too while people were hyping rj.  I weigh that every year if a player is worth selling the farm for or not.  Having porzingis vs the picks we have is relative that way.  We don't want to sacrifice our future and apparently Ainge felt the same way.  We are in position to get Bender or Brown this year without having to do that so in a way staying put or bailing on last years draft was the right move. We may trade the pick too but there is a chance we can still draft why Ainge is scouting these guys.

I was right in theory.   Give it up.   Yeah I  explore a lot of stuff and am right and wrong as things change.

Thing is Phil Jackson probably wasn't going to trade us Porzingis anyways. I still like Rozier.  I liked Okafor too.  That was on another board though.  Cauley Stein and Turner somewhat.  Didn't think there was any chance we were getting Towns.  Also liked SJ and Winslow for guards.

[CapnDunks]

walker834=RC Buford

[passesofftodj]

Dunn is a good player but he would be useless on our team. He's the player who makes the least sense n I don't want another Smart on our team. We have other needs n that would only log jam us even more at the guard position. All set with Dunn. I'd like to draft Buddy Heild, Brown or Murray. Bender if he will turn out to be a special player but if he is to much of a risk I'd rather go another route. But drafting Dunn would be stupid on our part. We already have a point guard who can't shoot n plays defense. I don't see the logic in that move what so ever.

Yeah, it would be useless to get the player most likely to be like a Wade or Westbrook.  We get it, you love Hield.  Dunn has D but he is a far superior playmaker than Smart.

Again, do you want Wade or JJ Reddick?  Your insistence that Hield is a can't miss superstar is...beyond words.

In fact drafting Hield would be more useless.  We already know what he is and he is older (yes Dunn is too but has missed seasons and therefore more likely to develop further).  The Celtics are not winning it all the next few years barring miracles and orher team's injuries.  Hield is better for a win now team.

[walker834]

I feel the opposite on  Hield.   I feel like he is going to need to go to a team who is going to let him shoot a lot early in  his career much like Ray, where later on he'll be a player who is a nice missing piece.   I like Hield though.  Dunn doesn't make much sense for us at all.  Where we are I probably like Bender, Brown then Hield in that order. Nothing against Dunn as a player.  Weird thing is the Nets could use a player like him.   But they traded us their pick. Dunn is a nice pg. He isn't Chris Paul, but nice poor man's version of that.

Bender
Brown
Hield
Dunn
Murray

Probably in that order though... Murray is a very solid combo guard/SG as well but we have Smart.  Most offense right now.  He's very young too.  I like Bender's upside better.  Same with Brown.

Hield is a better basketball player than people give him credit for.   They do but overrate him imo. He's primarily a shooter though where a guy like Dwade was more a complete player.  He's like the Pierce version of Dwade in ways.  Underrated Harden type but not as explosive.   

He's somewhat undersized.  He's Pierce if Pierce was 6'4" and primarily a sg.  Good shooter like Ray but shorter.

He isn't as good as those guys.

[Atzar]

I think a few of you guys are too quick to compare these kids to Wade and Westbrook athletically.  Those two are rare - among the best athletes ever at their respective positions.  I don't think this draft class has anybody on that level in terms of athleticism.

I like Dunn, but comparing him to Wade is setting yourself up for disappointment.

[walker834]

Oh I agree. I don't see many superstar talents this draft.  Bender maybe with time.  The rest of these guys are just good players. Brown is  one guy who could have upside eventually.  Not Kawii Leonard good but could be very good. 

I think Brown is more a jrich type.. Could be dee brown.  He has to develop.

[ahonui06]

Oh I agree. I don't see many superstar talents this draft.  Bender maybe with time.  The rest of these guys are just good players. Brown is  one guy who could have upside eventually.  Not Kawii Leonard good but could be very good.

I believe Brandon Ingram has the most superstar potential in this draft with Simmons being a decent second.

[walker834]

Simmons and Ingram have the most superstar potential according to the consensus.  I'd put Bender with them.  I don't see anyone as a surefire that.  They are all kind of even.  Bender is a year younger.

If Ingram or Simmons slides could get interesting.  I don't know if I'd take either of those guys over Bender honestly.  I think they are all equal for different reasons.

People are saying this is a 2 player draft.  I think Bender and Brown an argument can be made.  More questions but I think this draft is somewhat deeper than that.  I think it's pretty solid overall.  With maybe a few guys who come out of it who are really good.   

Luwawu, Deyonte Davis have some star potential imo.  I don't know who else.  I'm not  big on Ellenson but he could be good.  Higher bust potential than people realize though.

I think Thon has a ton of questions too but  could be a  good player.  Could be a bust.

[walker834]

Chriss is a guy who is rising right now.  Another one of those sf/pf's who can range out and do a lot of things.   Chriss is not Aldridge here though.  He's 6'10" 235 and needs to play with a better motor.  The rising of him is a bit surprising.  He's got talent but surprising even still at 3.

I'm always looking for the next Bill Russell/Kevin Garnett as much as anyone but not there yet on Chriss. 

Still 3 weeks to go though. 

I can see Danny liking Chriss.  He likes those pac 12/big 10/mountain conference guys.  He drafted Jajuan JOhnson from out there.

Definately something to watch.  He's definately more athletic than Bender.  Maybe Danny saw Bender and noticed his lack of lift.  Chriss has that explosion.

I am not super high on this draft at all.  It has a lot of good to fair to some possible very good players though and maybe a few stars. It's pretty deep that way.

[Bobshot]

Brown looks great going to the basket in videos, but he appears to have no perimeter game--outside shot?  GMs are probably looking for guys who can shoot in the draft--especially the 3.
You get a 7 footer who can block shots and shoot the 3--he'll go high in the draft. Even PGs have to be able to shoot nowadays. 

[Bobshot]

I'm always looking for the next Bill Russell/Kevin Garnett as much as anyone but not there yet on Chriss. 

Still 3 weeks to go though. 

I can see Danny liking Chriss.  He likes those pac 12/big 10/mountain conference guys.  He drafted Jajuan JOhnson from out there.

Definately something to watch.  He's definately more athletic than Bender.  Maybe Danny saw Bender and noticed his lack of lift.  Chriss has that explosion.

Hopefully, Danny is not just looking for a serviceable player, but somebody who could be the next Russell or Garnett. That's where length plus athleticism comes in. Keep in mind Russell was not a great shooter. That wasn't his role on those great Celtics teams. Garnett could do everything.

[ThePaintedArea]

Brown looks great going to the basket in videos, but he appears to have no perimeter game--outside shot? 

Has a tendency to put his head down and force the matter, predictably goes right, drives into a crowd, not careful with the ball.  Either he has a lot to learn or he just doesn't have a feel for the game.  Jumpshot is all over the place, needs major surgery.

[Bobshot]

Porzingis is kind of a nice template for Bender. He did pretty well last year, so maybe Bender will be OK. One of Porzingis' strengths is he could shoot over everybody from the outside. He also had some big rebounding games. Wasn't he also a #3 pick? Something like that.