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[Evantime34]

 Murray gives no effort on defense. James Young can't defend anyone, Julius Randle doesn't play defense, looks like it's trending in Kentucky.

 I'll take Hield. Winning attitude, would fit right in here.

What's trending at Kentucky is guys are taught how to maximize their draft stock, not how to play team basketball.

Not sure I agree with that (although I don't agree what the previous poster said about Hield). Kentucky's players the previous year all sacrificed a lot of individual acclaim in order to achieve a lot through team basketball.

The way Murray consistently ran hard off screens shows that he knows how to play team basketball. Even when he didn't get himself open for shots, him running through picks hard freed other teammates.

In general it just seems to me with Kentucky prospects, a lot of guys get drafted because of their talent and high profile of the team, but many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role because Kentucky is just a finishing school for elite prospects.

You don't see many quality role players come out of Kentucky.

Even a guy like AD puts up amazing numbers but he doesn't seem to have the kind of impact on the team that you'd expect (despite acknowledging that the players around him have been atrocious due to injuries).

Cal's Kentucky teams are a relatively new thing, so pretty much all the people included in this group are still young.
 

many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role

This description could hold true for pretty much any young player developing in the NBA. Guys who become good role players rarely do so immediately when they come into the league.

[Forza Juventus]

 Murray gives no effort on defense. James Young can't defend anyone, Julius Randle doesn't play defense, looks like it's trending in Kentucky.

 I'll take Hield. Winning attitude, would fit right in here.

What's trending at Kentucky is guys are taught how to maximize their draft stock, not how to play team basketball.

Not sure I agree with that (although I don't agree what the previous poster said about Hield). Kentucky's players the previous year all sacrificed a lot of individual acclaim in order to achieve a lot through team basketball.

The way Murray consistently ran hard off screens shows that he knows how to play team basketball. Even when he didn't get himself open for shots, him running through picks hard freed other teammates.

In general it just seems to me with Kentucky prospects, a lot of guys get drafted because of their talent and high profile of the team, but many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role because Kentucky is just a finishing school for elite prospects.

You don't see many quality role players come out of Kentucky.

Even a guy like AD puts up amazing numbers but he doesn't seem to have the kind of impact on the team that you'd expect (despite acknowledging that the players around him have been atrocious due to injuries).

Cal's Kentucky teams are a relatively new thing, so pretty much all the people included in this group are still young.
 

many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role

This description could hold true for pretty much any young player developing in the NBA. Guys who become good role players rarely do so immediately when they come into the league.

I agree and a lot of the players from Kentucky are really good. Anthony Davis, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Karl Anthony Towns Jr, Nerlens Noel. And Eric Bledsoe, Trey Lyles, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Willey Cauley, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, tons of good or great players coached by John Calipari at Kentucky

[LarBrd33]

Has Ford done his "Tiers" yet?   Is Simmons considered a Tier 1 player? (there's been years when Ford didn't have a single player in Tier 1). 

Are we looking at Tier 2 or Tier 3 players in the 4-6 range when we pick?

[PhoSita]

many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role

This description could hold true for pretty much any young player developing in the NBA. Guys who become good role players rarely do so immediately when they come into the league.

That's true, but I think players from some other schools -- Duke, for example -- have a clearer idea of what their best role is in a team context.

Guys like Patrick Patterson, Terrence Jones, Brandon Knight, MKG ... lots of raw talent, but their intangibles as team players, i.e. their ability to contribute to wins apart from putting up numbers, seems lesser to me compared to guys like, say, Mason Plumlee, Gerald Henderson, or even Kyle Singler.

[PhoSita]

I agree and a lot of the players from Kentucky are really good. Anthony Davis, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Karl Anthony Towns Jr, Nerlens Noel. And Eric Bledsoe, Trey Lyles, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Willey Cauley, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, tons of good or great players coached by John Calipari at Kentucky

A lot of really talented players, for sure. 

My sense with all of these Kentucky players is simply that playing under Cal didn't really add anything.  Cal just showcased their talent, i.e. got them drafted.  In that sense, he did his job (held up his end of the bargain).

I dunno that any of these Kentucky guys really enters the league any more polished as players than they would have if they came straight out of high school.

[Ilikesports17]

 Murray gives no effort on defense. James Young can't defend anyone, Julius Randle doesn't play defense, looks like it's trending in Kentucky.

 I'll take Hield. Winning attitude, would fit right in here.

What's trending at Kentucky is guys are taught how to maximize their draft stock, not how to play team basketball.

Not sure I agree with that (although I don't agree what the previous poster said about Hield). Kentucky's players the previous year all sacrificed a lot of individual acclaim in order to achieve a lot through team basketball.

The way Murray consistently ran hard off screens shows that he knows how to play team basketball. Even when he didn't get himself open for shots, him running through picks hard freed other teammates.

In general it just seems to me with Kentucky prospects, a lot of guys get drafted because of their talent and high profile of the team, but many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role because Kentucky is just a finishing school for elite prospects.

You don't see many quality role players come out of Kentucky.

Even a guy like AD puts up amazing numbers but he doesn't seem to have the kind of impact on the team that you'd expect (despite acknowledging that the players around him have been atrocious due to injuries).

Cal's Kentucky teams are a relatively new thing, so pretty much all the people included in this group are still young.
 

many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role

This description could hold true for pretty much any young player developing in the NBA. Guys who become good role players rarely do so immediately when they come into the league.

I agree and a lot of the players from Kentucky are really good. Anthony Davis, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Karl Anthony Towns Jr, Nerlens Noel. And Eric Bledsoe, Trey Lyles, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Willey Cauley, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, tons of good or great players coached by John Calipari at Kentucky

John Wall is the only one thats ever played a substantial role on a good team.

granted thats probably got a lot more to do with them mostly being high lotto picks, and many are first or second year players who havent really had a chance, but its interesting nonetheless.

[Bucketgetter]

 Murray gives no effort on defense. James Young can't defend anyone, Julius Randle doesn't play defense, looks like it's trending in Kentucky.

 I'll take Hield. Winning attitude, would fit right in here.

What's trending at Kentucky is guys are taught how to maximize their draft stock, not how to play team basketball.

Not sure I agree with that (although I don't agree what the previous poster said about Hield). Kentucky's players the previous year all sacrificed a lot of individual acclaim in order to achieve a lot through team basketball.

The way Murray consistently ran hard off screens shows that he knows how to play team basketball. Even when he didn't get himself open for shots, him running through picks hard freed other teammates.

In general it just seems to me with Kentucky prospects, a lot of guys get drafted because of their talent and high profile of the team, but many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role because Kentucky is just a finishing school for elite prospects.

You don't see many quality role players come out of Kentucky.

Even a guy like AD puts up amazing numbers but he doesn't seem to have the kind of impact on the team that you'd expect (despite acknowledging that the players around him have been atrocious due to injuries).

Cal's Kentucky teams are a relatively new thing, so pretty much all the people included in this group are still young.
 

many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role

This description could hold true for pretty much any young player developing in the NBA. Guys who become good role players rarely do so immediately when they come into the league.

I agree and a lot of the players from Kentucky are really good. Anthony Davis, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Karl Anthony Towns Jr, Nerlens Noel. And Eric Bledsoe, Trey Lyles, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Willey Cauley, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, tons of good or great players coached by John Calipari at Kentucky

John Wall is the only one thats ever played a substantial role on a good team.

granted thats probably got a lot more to do with them mostly being high lotto picks, and many are first or second year players who havent really had a chance, but its interesting nonetheless.

What?? AD started on a championship team and Lyles, Towns, and Cauely Stein all started on a team that had a perfect regular season and made it to the final four..

[Forza Juventus]

 Murray gives no effort on defense. James Young can't defend anyone, Julius Randle doesn't play defense, looks like it's trending in Kentucky.

 I'll take Hield. Winning attitude, would fit right in here.

What's trending at Kentucky is guys are taught how to maximize their draft stock, not how to play team basketball.

Not sure I agree with that (although I don't agree what the previous poster said about Hield). Kentucky's players the previous year all sacrificed a lot of individual acclaim in order to achieve a lot through team basketball.

The way Murray consistently ran hard off screens shows that he knows how to play team basketball. Even when he didn't get himself open for shots, him running through picks hard freed other teammates.

In general it just seems to me with Kentucky prospects, a lot of guys get drafted because of their talent and high profile of the team, but many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role because Kentucky is just a finishing school for elite prospects.

You don't see many quality role players come out of Kentucky.

Even a guy like AD puts up amazing numbers but he doesn't seem to have the kind of impact on the team that you'd expect (despite acknowledging that the players around him have been atrocious due to injuries).

Cal's Kentucky teams are a relatively new thing, so pretty much all the people included in this group are still young.
 

many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role

This description could hold true for pretty much any young player developing in the NBA. Guys who become good role players rarely do so immediately when they come into the league.

I agree and a lot of the players from Kentucky are really good. Anthony Davis, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Karl Anthony Towns Jr, Nerlens Noel. And Eric Bledsoe, Trey Lyles, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Willey Cauley, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, tons of good or great players coached by John Calipari at Kentucky

John Wall is the only one thats ever played a substantial role on a good team.

granted thats probably got a lot more to do with them mostly being high lotto picks, and many are first or second year players who havent really had a chance, but its interesting nonetheless.

What?? AD started on a championship team and Lyles, Towns, and Cauely Stein all started on a team that had a perfect regular season and made it to the final four..

He means in the nba. But I think it's an unfair criticism. Cousins and Davis are on poorly run organizations. Towns is a rookie. Noel and Randle are on awful teams. And the rest I posted are rookies or good but not great players.

[Forza Juventus]

I agree and a lot of the players from Kentucky are really good. Anthony Davis, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Karl Anthony Towns Jr, Nerlens Noel. And Eric Bledsoe, Trey Lyles, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Willey Cauley, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, tons of good or great players coached by John Calipari at Kentucky

A lot of really talented players, for sure. 

My sense with all of these Kentucky players is simply that playing under Cal didn't really add anything.  Cal just showcased their talent, i.e. got them drafted.  In that sense, he did his job (held up his end of the bargain).

I dunno that any of these Kentucky guys really enters the league any more polished as players than they would have if they came straight out of high school.

Your probably right although I do think Towns in particular learned a lot from Calipari. But in my opinion that's Calipari's job is to get you drafted high. And that's what I would want as a prospect. I'll learn more when I get to the pros, when I'm paid, when it's my job. In my one year of college I want to just want to have my draft stock high.

[Ilikesports17]

 Murray gives no effort on defense. James Young can't defend anyone, Julius Randle doesn't play defense, looks like it's trending in Kentucky.

 I'll take Hield. Winning attitude, would fit right in here.

What's trending at Kentucky is guys are taught how to maximize their draft stock, not how to play team basketball.

Not sure I agree with that (although I don't agree what the previous poster said about Hield). Kentucky's players the previous year all sacrificed a lot of individual acclaim in order to achieve a lot through team basketball.

The way Murray consistently ran hard off screens shows that he knows how to play team basketball. Even when he didn't get himself open for shots, him running through picks hard freed other teammates.

In general it just seems to me with Kentucky prospects, a lot of guys get drafted because of their talent and high profile of the team, but many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role because Kentucky is just a finishing school for elite prospects.

You don't see many quality role players come out of Kentucky.

Even a guy like AD puts up amazing numbers but he doesn't seem to have the kind of impact on the team that you'd expect (despite acknowledging that the players around him have been atrocious due to injuries).

Cal's Kentucky teams are a relatively new thing, so pretty much all the people included in this group are still young.
 

many of them seem to struggle for a while in the league before carving out a solid role

This description could hold true for pretty much any young player developing in the NBA. Guys who become good role players rarely do so immediately when they come into the league.

I agree and a lot of the players from Kentucky are really good. Anthony Davis, John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Karl Anthony Towns Jr, Nerlens Noel. And Eric Bledsoe, Trey Lyles, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Willey Cauley, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, tons of good or great players coached by John Calipari at Kentucky

John Wall is the only one thats ever played a substantial role on a good team.

granted thats probably got a lot more to do with them mostly being high lotto picks, and many are first or second year players who havent really had a chance, but its interesting nonetheless.

What?? AD started on a championship team and Lyles, Towns, and Cauely Stein all started on a team that had a perfect regular season and made it to the final four..

He means in the nba. But I think it's an unfair criticism. Cousins and Davis are on poorly run organizations. Towns is a rookie. Noel and Randle are on awful teams. And the rest I posted are rookies or good but not great players.

Yea for sure its completely unfair, but I meant it more of an observation than a real criticism. Its just the first thing that sticks out to me when looking at that list.