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Will there be a massive trade on the deadline like last year?

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Will there be a massive trade on the deadline like last year?
« on: February 16, 2016, 10:18:13 AM »

Offline greece66

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Looks like most teams want to stay put:

Melo said he wants to stay in NYC, the Bucks denied they want to trade Monroe, Hawks ask too much for Horford's expiring, Jennings is not going to Brooklyn (For all trade rumours see this article: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/2/15/10922512/nba-trade-rumors-list-deadline-tracker-2016)

Front offices are reluctant for good reasons: in the East several teams have finally found good chemistry after struggling for years (Detroit being the best example) and don't want to make radical changes.

Moreover, with a huge Free Agency this summer, everyone wants to have a flexible cap space to sign new players.

Still, there are several teams that are p desperate to make trades: Cavs (assuming they want to keep alive the hope of a championship), Knicks (their team payroll is awful due to Melo and Calderon).

And many of the mediocre teams in the West:
  • Utah needs to reach a decision about which rookies it will keep long term
  • Minny wants to get rid of Rubio
  • Suns are ready to press the restart button
  • Houston wants to get rid of Howard (can't blame them}

I've been following the rumours as closely as I could, and my feeling is that Danny is ready to sacrifice the Nets pick only for young and super talented players like Hayward or Love, who are good fits in our system.
Not for an expiring like Horford; nor a player who despite being an immediate upgrade is not of All Star calibre (Greg Monroe). And certainly not for ageing players like Melo or Howard on big contracts.

So, unless we reach an agreement for the likes of Hayward or Love, a massive trade could be our best scenario: in this case we could act as facilitators for other teams thanks to our cap space and draft picks (we have a lot more than we can use). If lucky we could get a serviceable bench player by sacrificing a few picks of lesser value and getting rid of Lee at the same time.

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2016, 10:24:04 AM »

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Looks like most teams want to stay put:

Melo said he wants to stay in NYC, the Bucks denied they want to trade Monroe, Hawks ask too much for Horford's expiring, Jennings is not going to Brooklyn (For all trade rumours see this article: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/2/15/10922512/nba-trade-rumors-list-deadline-tracker-2016)

Front offices are reluctant for good reasons: in the East several teams have finally found good chemistry after struggling for years (Detroit being the best example) and don't want to make radical changes.

Moreover, with a huge Free Agency this summer, everyone wants to have a flexible cap space to sign new players.

Still, there are several teams that are p desperate to make trades: Cavs (assuming they want to keep alive the hope of a championship), Knicks (their team payroll is awful due to Melo and Calderon).

And many of the mediocre teams in the West:
  • Utah needs to reach a decision about which rookies it will keep long term
  • Minny wants to get rid of Rubio
  • Suns are ready to press the restart button
  • Houston wants to get rid of Howard (can't blame them}

I've been following the rumours as closely as I could, and my feeling is that Danny is ready to sacrifice the Nets pick only for young and super talented players like Hayward or Love, who are good fits in our system.
Not for an expiring like Horford; nor a player who despite being an immediate upgrade is not of All Star calibre (Greg Monroe). And certainly not for ageing players like Melo or Howard on big contracts.

So, unless we reach an agreement for the likes of Hayward or Love, a massive trade could be our best scenario: in this case we could act as facilitators for other teams thanks to our cap space and draft picks (we have a lot more than we can use). If lucky we could get a serviceable bench player by sacrificing a few picks of lesser value and getting rid of Lee at the same time.
I don't think anything more than a minor deal to offload Lee for a protected second rounder might happen this deadline for the C's . 

That Brooklyn first isn't going anywhere -- certainly not for Hayward unless Favors or Gobert is coming back with him. 

The pick might be traded but very unlikely until draft night when we already know where it'll be slotted and we know which prospects are available at that time.  it'll be #3 or 4 going into the lottery where there's a decent shot at jumping up somewhere in the top 3. 

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I think the rumoured Atl-Mia-Hou deal will go down:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlsum6o

something like that

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2016, 10:32:53 AM »

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I think the rumoured Atl-Mia-Hou deal will go down:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlsum6o

something like that

This deal never made any sense for ATL. The deal that did was direct HOU-MIA, but now with Bosh out, it's less sensible. I think the market for Howard is gonna be reeaaaalll soft the next two days.
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Re: Will there be a massive trade on the deadline like last year?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2016, 10:51:36 AM »

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I think the rumoured Atl-Mia-Hou deal will go down:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlsum6o

something like that

This deal never made any sense for ATL. The deal that did was direct HOU-MIA, but now with Bosh out, it's less sensible. I think the market for Howard is gonna be reeaaaalll soft the next two days.

Why does it not make sense for Atlanta? Howard and Millsap would be a great frontcourt pairing. Howard has apparently expressed a desire to return to Atlanta if he is traded as well.

You could debate that it isn't a good enough return for Atlanta so maybe a pick or two go their way from houston

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2016, 11:07:53 AM »

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I think it's going to be a very slow deadline considering the rising cap. I see SAC doing something, ORL doing something, PHX doing something, HOU dumping Howard for next to nothing, CLE making a small move or two, and TOR trading for a small upgrade at PF. I think alot of other teams stay put, and I feel like Ainge may also choose to wait to summer short of a small move or two -- like Lee to Portland for financial purposes.

One thing I could see: a POR / MIA / BOS swap where MIA gets under the tax, POR gets above the floor, and the Cs get a tire-kicking Whiteside rental. It's a little complex, but would look something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zpvs2kp

BOS gets: Andersen and Haslem (release one), Whiteside, 2019 MIN 2nd from POR, 2023 1st from MIA
POR gets: Lee, Young
MIA gets: Sullinger

MIA gets under the tax + Sully, Portland saves $6.5mil + Young, Boston brings Whiteside in to reek havoc in the playoffs / see whether they think his lack-o-maturity is fixable before the summer + future picks.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2016, 11:14:50 AM by ssspence »
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Re: Will there be a massive trade on the deadline like last year?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2016, 11:12:24 AM »

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I think the rumoured Atl-Mia-Hou deal will go down:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlsum6o

something like that

This deal never made any sense for ATL. The deal that did was direct HOU-MIA, but now with Bosh out, it's less sensible. I think the market for Howard is gonna be reeaaaalll soft the next two days.

Why does it not make sense for Atlanta? Howard and Millsap would be a great frontcourt pairing. Howard has apparently expressed a desire to return to Atlanta if he is traded as well.

You could debate that it isn't a good enough return for Atlanta so maybe a pick or two go their way from houston

The reason they're interested in trading Horford is because they're concerned about paying huge dollars to a 30+ center with an injury history, despite the fact that he's an absolute pillar in the locker room and community -- a guy who has helped establish a winning culture in ATL -- and has openly stated he wants to stay.

So, they trade him for a 30+ center with injury problems where again they'll have to pay him huge dollars or lose him this summer? Except: a) he's the opposite of Horford -- a guy teammates hate -- and he's s weak fit in Mike B's system, and b) they also ship out an All-Star PG for no return at all, despite the fact that they probably could get value for him from a team like MIL or UTA?

Swapping Horford for Howard is dumb. Adding Teague in there adds insult to injury.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2016, 11:36:37 AM »

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I hope so. The league is kinda boring at the moment.

Needs an arms race. Teams trying to catch up to SAS and GSW.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2016, 11:47:29 AM »

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I think the rumoured Atl-Mia-Hou deal will go down:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlsum6o

something like that

This deal never made any sense for ATL. The deal that did was direct HOU-MIA, but now with Bosh out, it's less sensible. I think the market for Howard is gonna be reeaaaalll soft the next two days.

Why does it not make sense for Atlanta? Howard and Millsap would be a great frontcourt pairing. Howard has apparently expressed a desire to return to Atlanta if he is traded as well.

You could debate that it isn't a good enough return for Atlanta so maybe a pick or two go their way from houston

The reason they're interested in trading Horford is because they're concerned about paying huge dollars to a 30+ center with an injury history, despite the fact that he's an absolute pillar in the locker room and community -- a guy who has helped establish a winning culture in ATL -- and has openly stated he wants to stay.

So, they trade him for a 30+ center with injury problems where again they'll have to pay him huge dollars or lose him this summer? Except: a) he's the opposite of Horford -- a guy teammates hate -- and he's s weak fit in Mike B's system, and b) they also ship out an All-Star PG for no return at all, despite the fact that they probably could get value for him from a team like MIL or UTA?

Swapping Horford for Howard is dumb. Adding Teague in there adds insult to injury.

The reason they are thinking of trading Horford is they believe that this core has reached it's ceiling. Adding a defensive centre around shooters like Korver and Millsap would change the way they play but could mean they end up going further.

I don't see Utah or Milwaukee going for Teague. Utah has Exum who is their PG of the future, even if he is out for the year. Milwaukee under Kidd seem to like the length of Carter-Williams however floored that may seem.

I agree that they should get a little more back but if they wait until summer they will get less. So I guess we'll see

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2016, 12:01:58 PM »

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I hope so. The league is kinda boring at the moment.

Needs an arms race. Teams trying to catch up to SAS and GSW.
+1
Teams in the West should try to step up.