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Re: Espn article
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2015, 01:19:36 PM »

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Maybe it's just confirmation bias (and I haven't seen as many games as I'd like this season, a toddler would do that to you), but I feel that unlike the last couple of years, this team has a bit of an idea about what they want to do offensively (take quick, open shots; if that fails, run a ton of picks and look for cutters) and defensively (play their bigs high and disrupt passing lanes with active pressure). Am I just imagining things?
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Re: Espn article
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2015, 02:02:47 PM »

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Maybe it's just confirmation bias (and I haven't seen as many games as I'd like this season, a toddler would do that to you), but I feel that unlike the last couple of years, this team has a bit of an idea about what they want to do offensively (take quick, open shots; if that fails, run a ton of picks and look for cutters) and defensively (play their bigs high and disrupt passing lanes with active pressure). Am I just imagining things?

No and they have better talent too. Shooting a large number of 3s (4th in the NBA this season, 13th last) and fewer long twos is also part of the brew.

Re: Espn article
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2015, 02:09:46 PM »

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Maybe it's just confirmation bias (and I haven't seen as many games as I'd like this season, a toddler would do that to you), but I feel that unlike the last couple of years, this team has a bit of an idea about what they want to do offensively (take quick, open shots; if that fails, run a ton of picks and look for cutters) and defensively (play their bigs high and disrupt passing lanes with active pressure). Am I just imagining things?

I agree with you.  I think it's their greatest strength.  They know how they want to play and most nights they do a good job of executing their plan.  This is a testament to what Stevens has been able to accomplish.  The rotation has solidified a bit in the last couple of weeks and it has paid off with improved play on the court.

It still feels at times like the Celts are outgunned against opponents with players that have a lot of scoring ability and physical talent.  Unlike last year, instead of it seeming like they're taking a knife to a gun fight, it's like Stevens has managed to fashion a bow and arrow out of the parts available to him. 

A bow and arrow will still get you killed if you're facing somebody with modern weaponry, but it can actually give you an advantage against, say, muskets, and a real chance against somebody wielding a revolver or an old hunting rifle.  The Celts are mastering the bow and arrow.
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2015, 05:13:01 PM »

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It might be early, but point differential is one of the best indicators of success.

Yes, with one caveat: that ranking can be distorted by the strength of the schedule played. Celtics, for example, have played a below-average schedule so far.

How so?

-Toronto
-SA x2
-Indy x2
-Washington x2, worse than expected but not awful
-Milwaukee not awful
-Atlanta x2
-OKC w/o KD but still good
-Dallas is better than people thought
-Orlando not awful
-Miami
-Chicago

I'll give you Philly x2, Houston, Brooklyn x2, Sacramento and NO are all pretty awful.  That gets us to 15 quality opponents and 7 crappy ones.

That is not my own opinion, but rather data that you can find on the basketball reference page that a poster linked to above. Like you, I suspect, I am not willing to crunch the data myself; nor do I claim the expertise to understand or evaluate the algorithms that people like Hollinger or basketball reference use.

By the way, I'll bet that your rating Washington and Milwaukee as "quality" opponents is based largely on what they did last year; but Washington has been really bad this year, and Milwaukee has been even worse – down there with Brooklyn. Philadelphia has been epically bad, a fact that depresses Boston's strength of schedule number disproportionately.

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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2015, 05:16:02 PM »

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On a related note, I was going to start a thread about what happened with the Hollinger rankings, but I guess they canned them when Hollinger left. It seems they're also now finally redirecting the Hollinger PR page to their new homegrown index (Cs are fifth).

It's not connected to him leaving; they had them up last year for example. There's a note on the page by the way that says they will be available in November! Last time I checked they were still not there though.