Sullinger to have career year?

[Granath]

Last year I feel both bass and ko outplayed him  .  Lee is by far our most talented offensive big, Amir best big defender, Lee and sully best rebounders.  I'm not sure how Stevens gets minutes spread around.  I see Kelly having breakout year and Lee playing his usual double double game

Wha...?

Sullinger out scored, out rebounded, out assisted, out stole, out blocked and out defensed Bass (whose defensive metrics were putrid) last year. The only area where Bass was any better is true shooting/eFG and that's because Sully (by all accounts on orders from Brad) was jacking up 3s rather than playing closer to the basket. I don't think most people realized how badly Bass really played last year.

Olynyk is a weirder case because some of KO's advanced stats like +/- are quite good. But in terms of core stats, again Sullinger has a decided advantage.

It would be nice if Lee was close to double-double territory again. But I don't think anyone should be banking on it.

[Celtics4ever]

Sullinger out scored, out rebounded, out assisted, out stole, out blocked and out defensed Bass (whose defensive metrics were putrid) last year

When you say he out defended anyone, you lose a lot of credibility.  Sullinger can't stay in front of his man, and while he is productive so are the guys he guards.   This is a weak area for him and I hope the conditioning improves it.

[dreamgreen]

He should have his best year, as others have mentioned he has to prove he can stay healthy too. The bigger worry is after he gets paid will he go back to eating fried chicken and potato chips like a high school kid? IMO he's high risk going forward for any team.

[Granath]

Sullinger out scored, out rebounded, out assisted, out stole, out blocked and out defensed Bass (whose defensive metrics were putrid) last year

When you say he out defended anyone, you lose a lot of credibility.  Sullinger can't stay in front of his man, and while he is productive so are the guys he guards.   This is a weak area for him and I hope the conditioning improves it.

Go look at the metrics. Bass was even worse on defense than Sullinger last year.

[2short]

Last year I feel both bass and ko outplayed him  .  Lee is by far our most talented offensive big, Amir best big defender, Lee and sully best rebounders.  I'm not sure how Stevens gets minutes spread around.  I see Kelly having breakout year and Lee playing his usual double double game

Wha...?

Sullinger out scored, out rebounded, out assisted, out stole, out blocked and out defensed Bass (whose defensive metrics were putrid) last year. The only area where Bass was any better is true shooting/eFG and that's because Sully (by all accounts on orders from Brad) was jacking up 3s rather than playing closer to the basket. I don't think most people realized how badly Bass really played last year.

Olynyk is a weirder case because some of KO's advanced stats like +/- are quite good. But in terms of core stats, again Sullinger has a decided advantage.

It would be nice if Lee was close to double-double territory again. But I don't think anyone should be banking on it.

Sorry but sully was pretty poor on defense last year.  Even worse was lack of effort foot movement, guy would go by him he'd just foul lazy thing.

[Celtics4ever]

Go look at the metrics. Bass was even worse on defense than Sullinger last year.

A six seven tweener being worse, that does not say much.  Neither is optimal at defense and both fail the eye test.

[Granath]

Go look at the metrics. Bass was even worse on defense than Sullinger last year.

A six seven tweener being worse, that does not say much.  Neither is optimal at defense and both fail the eye test.

Yet you're changing the argument. I never said Sullinger was good on defense. I never even implied it. I simply said Bass was worse and he was.

[Granath]

Last year I feel both bass and ko outplayed him  .  Lee is by far our most talented offensive big, Amir best big defender, Lee and sully best rebounders.  I'm not sure how Stevens gets minutes spread around.  I see Kelly having breakout year and Lee playing his usual double double game

Wha...?

Sullinger out scored, out rebounded, out assisted, out stole, out blocked and out defensed Bass (whose defensive metrics were putrid) last year. The only area where Bass was any better is true shooting/eFG and that's because Sully (by all accounts on orders from Brad) was jacking up 3s rather than playing closer to the basket. I don't think most people realized how badly Bass really played last year.

Olynyk is a weirder case because some of KO's advanced stats like +/- are quite good. But in terms of core stats, again Sullinger has a decided advantage.

It would be nice if Lee was close to double-double territory again. But I don't think anyone should be banking on it.

Sorry but sully was pretty poor on defense last year.  Even worse was lack of effort foot movement, guy would go by him he'd just foul lazy thing.

And again, Bass by every metric was worse and is not as good on the offensive end. Thus your argument that Bass "outplayed" Sullinger last year makes absolutely no sense. I fail to see how you can rationally make that statement.

[Celtics4ever]

Post these metrics please and post Jonas and Kelly and Zeller the defensive ones as well so we can see what a great defender or how bad a defender these guys are.  It should be a given that Bass and Sully be posted and post a link where you got them.

[Evantime34]

Sullinger's biggest issues were his inability to post consistent shooting percentages and his poor help defense. I am hoping both these issues will improve as Sully improves his conditioning.

I do not agree Sullinger could not stay in front of his man, his shortfalls on defense are in help defense not on the ball defense.

Sullinger and Olynyk are guys that kind of get killed on this board, but in general the team produces better when they (not necessarily together) are on the court rather than off of it.

If Sully has the energy to rotate on help defense and his 3 point misses decrease due to improved conditioning, I would be surprised if he didn't have a break out year.

[Granath]

Post these metrics please and post Jonas and Kelly and Zeller the defensive ones as well so we can see what a great defender or how bad a defender these guys are.  It should be a given that Bass and Sully be posted and post a link where you got them.

Pro Basketball Reference is -----> way. I'm assuming you can figure out how to use Google.

[Celtics4ever]

I do not agree Sullinger could not stay in front of his man, his shortfalls on defense are in help defense not on the ball defense.

Sullinger and Olynyk are guys that kind of get killed on this board, but in general the team produces better when they (not necessarily together) are on the court rather than off of it.

If Sully has the energy to rotate on help defense and his 3 point misses decrease due to improved conditioning, I would be surprised if he didn't have a break out year.

It is quite possible, of course, that he might but think about what your saying.   If he has "the energy" really shows just how pathetic he  was last year at times.   That being said, he was still remarkedly productive in some areas. 

He has poor mobility.  I will post some video of him not staying in front of his man and being out of position

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6vCOqV53sY

These problems were known to anyone who followed him in college.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz_rDuzUjfc

he has some trouble with both truth be told.   Hopefully, the conditioning helps some.   But his lane agility drills and 3/4 court drills were abysmal.

Pro Basketball Reference is -----> way. I'm assuming you can figure out how to use Google.

I can google.  I kind of figured this kind of response.   I would assume that  you know this because I have posted some stats from there that have not been so kind to Mr. Sullinger in a post involving you.  I doubted you would be able to post the actual comparisons because I think the information shows that he might be better than Bass but he is not even remotely a good defender.   Hence, the BS response above in which you make a claim then when asked don't post the specified data.   Might I suggest 82 games.com as well as a resource in this regard.   They have just as good if not better metrics regarding defensive prowess.

I am hoping all the conditioning helps but I am skeptical until I see it on the court.  It should help some but the video we seen this summer makes me wonder.  I don't like him as a player in terms of athletics or defense, this is well known but I want the C's to win.  I just think he is pyrite or fool's gold and not a blue chip NBA prospect.

[Granath]

I can google.  I kind of figured this kind of response.   I would assume that  you know this because I have posted some stats from there that have not been so kind to Mr. Sullinger in a post involving you.  I doubted you would be able to post the actual comparisons because I think the information shows that he might be better than Bass but he is not even remotely a good defender.   Hence, the BS response above in which you make a claim then when asked don't post the specified data.   Might I suggest 82 games.com as well as a resource in this regard.   They have just as good if not better metrics regarding defensive prowess.

The bold section is the only relevant one because the rest of your drivel is a response to...what? Because it's nothing I ever said, mentioned or even hinted at.

Thanks for playing and better luck trolling next time!