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How  many years would it take.

First year
11 (28.9%)
Second year
13 (34.2%)
Third year
3 (7.9%)
Fourth year
0 (0%)
We would need more star power to win it all.
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Re: Poll: If we signed Durant, How many years till we won a title.
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2015, 11:22:44 AM »

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tbh, my problem is more with them not giving playing time to Jackson.
I didn't know the issue with KD you alluded too, but I'd be really surprised if Reggie Jackson turned out to have character issues. To me, it looked more like he had legitimate complaints for being treated as a third string player.

Here's an article from after he got traded.  There were others like this that appeared after they got Waiters, and even before that.  Jackson didn't fit in OKC.  It's probably on Jackson because KD tends to give credit to hair teammates very quickly, and this is the first time I remember hearing about him having a problem with anyone.  That said, sometimes people are just in the wrong place, and maybe Jackson will be a great teammate and leader in Detroit.  I personally have my doubts, but I've experienced people who were great in place A and terrible in place B, and it was just the wrong situation for them.  So who knows.

http://espn.go.com/blog/okc-thunder/post/_/id/320/durant-jackson-got-what-he-wanted

To me, that article, including Durant's quotes, don't put anything "on" Jackson other than the simple fact that he wanted to be a starter.  And he deserved to be a starter.  But it's a fair point that with Westbrook there, he wasn't going to be a starter.   So he had to be moved.

The more interesting take out of the article is just how much they lamented the loss of Perkins.
TP to both.
IMO had the OKC had a more imaginative coach he could try (at least for limited mins) playing both Jackson and Westbrook. I always saw Westbrook as more of a combo guard than a PG anyway.

PS Perkins is so adorable, his charm is simply irresistible.

Re: Poll: If we signed Durant, How many years till we won a title.
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2015, 12:07:38 PM »

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See, to me, that's the difference between Ainge and Presti.

Ainge would never ever waste or ever let Harden go. If he did let him go, he would've asked for almost nothing short of the moon. OKC has literally nothing to show for Harden's departure, and literally squandered so many chances of contention by not putting the right players around Westbrook, Ibaka, and Durant.
Agreed. With the exception of that crazy guy in Clippers (who the NBA finally managed to get rid off) OKC easily qualifies for one of the worst front offices in NBA history.

They kept a mediocre coach for way too long, they have given full permission to Westbrook to do whatever he likes (big mistake IMO, esp in playoffs) and they let Harden walk away for little return.

Cherry on the cake, they let Reggie Jackson, a hustle player and a real PG (with a good win share) walk away for nearly nothing after letting him rot on the bench for years. And to think that he had emerged as the leader of the team while Westbrook and KD were both injured.

The revisionist history is strong with this take.

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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2015, 01:20:55 PM »

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See, to me, that's the difference between Ainge and Presti.

Ainge would never ever waste or ever let Harden go. If he did let him go, he would've asked for almost nothing short of the moon. OKC has literally nothing to show for Harden's departure, and literally squandered so many chances of contention by not putting the right players around Westbrook, Ibaka, and Durant.
Agreed. With the exception of that crazy guy in Clippers (who the NBA finally managed to get rid off) OKC easily qualifies for one of the worst front offices in NBA history.

They kept a mediocre coach for way too long, they have given full permission to Westbrook to do whatever he likes (big mistake IMO, esp in playoffs) and they let Harden walk away for little return.

Cherry on the cake, they let Reggie Jackson, a hustle player and a real PG (with a good win share) walk away for nearly nothing after letting him rot on the bench for years. And to think that he had emerged as the leader of the team while Westbrook and KD were both injured.

The revisionist history is strong with this take.
elaborate?

Re: Poll: If we signed Durant, How many years till we won a title.
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2015, 01:39:18 PM »

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Need a lot more than Durant. Still would not compare to other top teams.

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2015, 01:39:38 PM »

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How many has he won with OKC? The C's need to stay the course and keep drafting well and hope for some top 5 picks in the next 2 drafts. Ben Simmons and Thon Maker would be helpful. Let's face it until Lebron "hits the wall" in 3-4 years Cleveland will rule the East. If Ainge is smart he would be planning for Championship run in about 2020 when the C's young core will be in their primes and The Heat, Bulls, Cavs and Hawks will be in substantial declines.

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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2015, 01:52:49 PM »

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Good point. He has zero rings with more talent than he would have here.

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2015, 03:28:34 PM »

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Might as well be 6 million, because we're not getting Durant with this roster. If we managed to get Boogie this year, then maybe we'd be in the conversation along with Washington, OKC, and LAC.
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Re: Poll: If we signed Durant, How many years till we won a title.
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2015, 04:14:49 PM »

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Might as well be 6 million, because we're not getting Durant with this roster. If we managed to get Boogie this year, then maybe we'd be in the conversation along with Washington, OKC, and LAC.
I'm calling it now. Bron Bron is winning that championship next year, no matter what.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2015, 05:40:51 PM »

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See, to me, that's the difference between Ainge and Presti.

Ainge would never ever waste or ever let Harden go. If he did let him go, he would've asked for almost nothing short of the moon. OKC has literally nothing to show for Harden's departure, and literally squandered so many chances of contention by not putting the right players around Westbrook, Ibaka, and Durant.
Agreed. With the exception of that crazy guy in Clippers (who the NBA finally managed to get rid off) OKC easily qualifies for one of the worst front offices in NBA history.

They kept a mediocre coach for way too long, they have given full permission to Westbrook to do whatever he likes (big mistake IMO, esp in playoffs) and they let Harden walk away for little return.

Cherry on the cake, they let Reggie Jackson, a hustle player and a real PG (with a good win share) walk away for nearly nothing after letting him rot on the bench for years. And to think that he had emerged as the leader of the team while Westbrook and KD were both injured.

The revisionist history is strong with this take.
elaborate?

Sure.

The Thunder traded reigning Sixth Man of the Year and projected starting-caliber player James Harden for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two first rounders (Steven Adams and Mitch McGary), and a second rounder. At the time, the Harden trade was controversial, but not because it was viewed as though they sold him for "cheap." The return was considered more than fair; people just questioned the wisdom of trading away a core player merely months after a Finals appearance.

The issue is that people retroactively judge the trade as though the Thunder traded MVP-caliber James Harden; the James Harden that was traded from OKC wasn't nearly the same player that the James Harden in 2015 is. Harden's blossomed into the superstar he is largely because he was given the opportunity to command his own team. Remember, there were a few eyebrows raised around the league when Houston immediately maxed Harden, since it was seen as a bit of a gamble. It paid off for them.

The trade didn't end up working out as far as what OKC got back in return, but they most certainly didn't trade him for "little to no return." Adams and McGary are looking like promising rotation pieces, Martin was a fantastic sixth man for OKC in his one season there, and the least you can say about Abrines (who was drafted with the second rounder) is that he's intriguing; really, the truly disappointing part of the return was Lamb, who was an unquestioned bust.

As far as Brooks, were they supposed to fire Brooks immediately after his poor Finals showing? That's kind of a rash move for a successful coach who had the support of a young team. I would imagine most teams would have given him another shot to show he's worthy of coaching the team.

So they traded Harden, went on to have their best season ever (remember how historically dominant the Warriors were this year? That was OKC in 2013 to a very slightly lesser degree), only to have their postseason hopes dashed due to Westbrook's injury. Was that the year to fire Brooks? His team was coming off their most successful season ever and he just lost one of his two best players in the playoffs. What exactly warranted his dismissal then?

The next year, they largely kept pace with their 2013 season (without being nearly as dominant) despite Westbrook missing large chunks of the season. You could argue that this would've been an appropriate time to fire him after their early playoff exit, but again, they ended up losing a key player in Ibaka. Even still, I'll submit that Brooks didn't necessarily make a great case as to why he deserved to remain the coach, but I don't see how firing him then would've changed how this past season played out. New coach or not, the Thunder were screwed when the injury bug decided to hit them hard this year.

As far as Reggie Jackson, the idea that he rotted "on the bench for years" is just patently false. As a rookie on a title contending team, he spent much of his time playing in the D-League... which is standard operating procedure for rookies on such teams. His second year, he earned more playing time with the Thunder, but was still largely unproven and didn't play much -- until the playoffs, when Westbrook was injured and Brooks entrusted Reggie to start in his place. Reggie was wildly impressive and his playoff performance earned him the sixth man role next year -- that is, when he wasn't playing starter minutes due to Westbrook's absences.

This year, Reggie had the green light: Durant was out to start the year and Westbrook got injured minutes into the second game of the season. What did Reggie do once he returned from a minor injury that sidelined him for the first few games? He "emerged" as such a "great" leader for the team during this time that he ended up getting frozen out by Ibaka and Perkins during his season debut due to selfish play. That was a trend with Reggie this entire year; he got minutes, but he wasn't happy because he wanted to be the starting point guard. He didn't want to start as the 2, he wasn't a good fit at the 2 due to streaky shooting and lack of defensive focus, and there was no way in hell he was pushing Westbrook over to the 2, so he played lethargically and selfishly when he got in the game. His play took such a nosedive that the Thunder ended up trading for Waiters largely as his potential replacement. Reggie's agent then leaked that they'd requested a trade and the Thunder honored his demand, turning him and a highly-protected first rounder into extremely valuable depth.

How in the world is that letting him "walk away for nothing"? He wasn't helping a team that was in dire need of his aid due to massive injury concerns, he had his agent leak a trade request, and the cloud over him was disrupting the chemistry of a team that simply couldn't afford it. The Thunder acquired three valuable rotation players (and a good locker room guy/Kanter mentor in Steve Novak) for a guy who was disgruntled and wanted out. That's making lemonade out of lemons.
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Re: Poll: If we signed Durant, How many years till we won a title.
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2015, 05:55:39 PM »

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Might as well be 6 million, because we're not getting Durant with this roster. If we managed to get Boogie this year, then maybe we'd be in the conversation along with Washington, OKC, and LAC.
I'm calling it now. Bron Bron is winning that championship next year, no matter what.

Not a bad bet .   I have Spurs ever so slightly ahead at this point .   Frankly it's a toss up .....may just come down to who has the least injuries.   .....most healthy squad at playoff time.

It's hard not to put LeBron super team at the front of the pack.   Every year Bron is closer to the Kobe injury ...the one that is bound to happen odds on. 

I think this year is must win year for LeBron .......each following year will most likely become even more difficult.......poor Love stuck in Cleveland , he should have bolted.


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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2015, 07:19:12 PM »

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If we get cousins some how this year or this offseason.

We will get durant in a s/t.

Smart/Isiah
Bradley/Hunter
Durant/Crowder
Kelly/Mickey
Cousins/Zeller

Def a title contender. Everyone on that roster compliments Durant great, and cousins as well.

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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2015, 07:20:02 PM »

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Durant is a great player and can in my opinion, carry a team to a title but there is no guarantee.  As others have pointed out, the OKC team of the last few years has had more talent than the Celtics would have, at least to start.  OKC has contended but never won a title being foiled by a series of injuries and things.  The Celtics big 3 was together for what, 5 years but things only fell into place once.  And look at Cle this year as an illustration what can happen to a team of stars.

The answer to the poll is that we would need more star power but even then, no guarantee.  That said, I would be delighted to have Durant subject to a very serious evaluation of his bad foot.

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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2015, 07:57:12 PM »

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I don't think we'd win a title with Durant on board, not with this supporting cast.

Maybe having Durant in tow would convince somebody else to sign with us down the line.  Durant and one other star plus a deep supporting cast might be enough to make it to the Finals a few times out of the East and win once.
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2015, 08:13:29 PM »

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Fun fact: Danny Ainge wanted James Harden to be the centerpiece of the Kendrick Perkins deal, but he had to settle for Jeff Green when Sam Presti refused.

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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2015, 08:25:59 PM »

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Fun Depressing fact: Danny Ainge wanted James Harden to be the centerpiece of the Kendrick Perkins deal, but he had to settle for Jeff Green when Sam Presti refused.

Fixed it for ya.
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