The mavs are actually a good model for us

[wdleehi]

Without getting into the who comparing of Lee and Dirk




Who has Dallas signed? 


The list of who they have brought in and tried to sign is all the top FA names. 


But who did they sign? 



And 2nd tier SF and a 2nd tier SG coming off a huge injury.

[walker834]

Without getting into the who comparing of Lee and Dirk




Who has Dallas signed? 


The list of who they have brought in and tried to sign is all the top FA names. 


But who did they sign? 



And 2nd tier SF and a 2nd tier SG coming off a huge injury.

This is kind of my point.  We need to get a SF and Dallas has failed in that area of signing big name free agents as a fringe team.  I don't think we will if we are smart about it.  Bringing Lee here is that.  I think who we target next also will be.

I'm saying what Dallas tried to do didn't work. But it's a completely different situation and players.  It will work for us.  I'm saying the whole being stuck in no man's land is a fallacy and can be done.  Teams just don't do it the right way.

[walker834]

I don't know how to explain anymore than I did.  Or what I see. But what the celtics are doing is completely different than Dallas. People say it doesn't work.  They aren't watching the celtics because I can see what they are doing.

No it doesn't work for teams like Dallas.  It doesn't.  It will work for us.

[clover]

Seems like the opposite--the C's were the first team to get screwed by Doc--even though we now say good riddance.

Well yeah it is.  That's why i said actually.   jordan backed out of his deal.  There is a lack of tone and what I'm saying this way.  Read between the lines a bit. Dallas is a very different place than Boston so it's not surprising.

Dallas has been a very popular place because of how Cuban treats players;

[walker834]

Seems like the opposite--the C's were the first team to get screwed by Doc--even though we now say good riddance.

Well yeah it is.  That's why i said actually.   jordan backed out of his deal.  There is a lack of tone and what I'm saying this way.  Read between the lines a bit. Dallas is a very different place than Boston so it's not surprising.

Dallas has been a very popular place because of how Cuban treats players;

That is true.  Dallas has been a fringe team that has gotten over the top in the past because of that so  I shouldn't say it hasn't worked..  We are doing something different is all.  Dallas's situation right now is not conducive with that.  Ours is or will be if we add another piece somehow.

[walker834]

Dallas and Boston are very different but there are similarities too.  It's kind of funny because MA is a very liberal state and Texas is Texas.    Very different but I follow both and there is a corolation between the two.  But they are very different.

What the celtics are doing is different is all and it's going to work.

[timpiker]

just can't take this thread seriously when u are trying to compare Dirk and Lee....r u kidding me?

[D.o.s.]

just can't take this thread seriously when u are trying to compare Dirk and Lee....r u kidding me?

Excuse me sir David Lee is our newest franchise savior and we must treat him with the respect he deserves.

[celticsclay]

Dirk is one of my favorite players ever.  Top 25 guy all-time, in my book.

Do me a favor and don't suggest that David Lee is in any way comparable.

Not so much anymore, but Dirk was for most of his career a guy around which you could build a great offense. 

Lee is a productive complementary player who puts up big counting stats if you give him extended minutes, but he's never been any good as a featured player, and arguably takes away as much as he gives you due to his defensive issues.


Nobody is signing with our team just because we acquired David Lee.  He's a respected veteran around the league, and I'm sure most guys would be happy to play with him, but I don't think anybody looks at our team now and says, "Man, I could really go far with David Lee and Isaiah Thomas by my side!"

How far apart is 38 year old dirk from 32 year old David Lee? I am curious what people think (or the advanced stat heads can chime in). I would have to imagine Dirk is even worse than Lee by a substantial amount.

[walker834]

I know. When did Dirk become the God of basketball?  He's old.

[D.o.s.]

Dirk is one of my favorite players ever.  Top 25 guy all-time, in my book.

Do me a favor and don't suggest that David Lee is in any way comparable.

Not so much anymore, but Dirk was for most of his career a guy around which you could build a great offense. 

Lee is a productive complementary player who puts up big counting stats if you give him extended minutes, but he's never been any good as a featured player, and arguably takes away as much as he gives you due to his defensive issues.


Nobody is signing with our team just because we acquired David Lee.  He's a respected veteran around the league, and I'm sure most guys would be happy to play with him, but I don't think anybody looks at our team now and says, "Man, I could really go far with David Lee and Isaiah Thomas by my side!"

How far apart is 38 year old dirk from 32 year old David Lee? I am curious what people think (or the advanced stat heads can chime in). I would have to imagine Dirk is even worse than Lee by a substantial amount.

Dirk was better than Lee last year by most comparative offensive metrics. Neither is ever going to be lauded for their defense.
http://bkref.com/tiny/wCzTa

edit: save offensive rebounding.

[walker834]

Dirk is one of my favorite players ever.  Top 25 guy all-time, in my book.

Do me a favor and don't suggest that David Lee is in any way comparable.

Not so much anymore, but Dirk was for most of his career a guy around which you could build a great offense. 

Lee is a productive complementary player who puts up big counting stats if you give him extended minutes, but he's never been any good as a featured player, and arguably takes away as much as he gives you due to his defensive issues.


Nobody is signing with our team just because we acquired David Lee.  He's a respected veteran around the league, and I'm sure most guys would be happy to play with him, but I don't think anybody looks at our team now and says, "Man, I could really go far with David Lee and Isaiah Thomas by my side!"

How far apart is 38 year old dirk from 32 year old David Lee? I am curious what people think (or the advanced stat heads can chime in). I would have to imagine Dirk is even worse than Lee by a substantial amount.

Dirk was better than Lee last year by most comparative offensive metrics. Neither is ever going to be lauded for their defense.
http://bkref.com/tiny/wCzTa

edit: save offensive rebounding.

last year...  Common sense is very underrated.

[D.o.s.]

If you were looking to compare how 38 year old Dirk and 32 year old David Lee compare it would make sense to use the numbers that cover a time period as close to those ages as possible.

I really enjoyed your edit of that post, and I am still waiting on the donut you promised me

[D.o.s.]

celticsclay asked for a comparison with stats. I gave him one. No idea where this hostility is coming from.

[Roy H.]

Knock it, guys