Source: Celtics will continue shopping Smart after getting Rozier

[Jonny CC]

So we are cherry picking smart's mediocre three point shooting to highlight why he was a better offensive player than Allen?   Allen got to the hoop efficiently. In allens prime he averaged more points.  There shouldn't be certainty that smart is better offensively.  A less efficient higher volume 3-point shooter, perhaps?  All around offense?   No.  This is like suggesting Kyle Korver was a better offensive player than Michael Jordan by comparing their 3 point shooting.  That's exaggerated, of course... But when measuring offense shouldnt we go with the guy who scores more and does it more efficiently?  Are you pretending that smart was better offensively than Brandon bass too?

You are a spin machine.  Now you are trying to compare Smart (now) to Allen in his prime?  You tried to argue that Allen had a better ROOKIE year than Allen.  That's just wrong.   
And, Smart was better offensively than Bass in his rookie year too.

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I said that Marcus Smart has a ways to go before he's on the same level as Tony Allen in his prime. 

Why people are bringing up Tony Allen's rookie stats... I don't know.  Tony Allen in his prime is better than Marcus Smart right now.  Smart will develop, hopefully.  Hopefully he'll surpass Allen.  Hopefully he'll end up a star player.   But right now, he's not as good as Tony Allen in his prime.

But let's just throw out some stats.

Allen Freshman:  14.4 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.9 steals, 45%/39%/69% 
Allen Sophomore:  16 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.1 steals, 50%/30%/68%
Allen Sophomore Per-40:  20.3 points, 7 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 2.6 steals, 50%/30%/68%

Smart Freshman:  15.4 points, 5.8 rebounds, 4.2 assits, 3 steals, 40%/29%/77%
Smart Sophomore:  18 points, 5.9 rebounds, 4.8 assits, 2.9 steals, 42%/29%/73%
Smart Sophomore Per-40:  22 points, 7.9 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 3.5 steals, 42%/29%/73%

Tony Allen Rookie per-36:  14 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.8 assits, 2.2 steals, 48%/39%/74%
Allen offensive peak (age 25) 11.5 points, 3.8 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.5 steals, 51%/24%/78%
Allen peak per-36 (age 25):  16.9 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 2.2 steals, 51%/24%/78%

Smart rookie:  7.8 points, 3.1 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1.5 steals, 37%/33%/65%
Smart rookie per-36:  10.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 2 steals, 36%/33%/65%

I see them as pretty comparable players.  Smart has a ways to go until he's as good an offensive player as Allen became.   Smart might get stats, but the shooting percentages show that Allen was a better offensive player.  Smart hopefully will become a more complete player.   Smart struggled getting to the rim even in Summer league last season.  He was limited to taking shots... which speaks to his lack of offensive game.  Tony Allen, though prone to stupid decisions in his youth, didn't have a problem attacking the rim.

Gotta give you credit for the amount of homework you did.

[gpap]

If we can't get Cousins, then count me in on the Noel bandwagon.

Smart, Bradley, Turner and Sully for Noel and Embiid.

I mean how is a Noel/Okafor front court going to work if they both play the same position? (not to mention Embiid, if he ever gets healthy)

If the Sixers yes to this deal, then they put a nice team together

Smart
Bradley
Turner
Sully
Okafor.

Then we can go after Harris, Monroe and a free agent shooting guard (Danny Green, Aaron Afflalo, Monta Ellis)

I think this would be an awesome lineup.

Rozier/Isaiah
FA SG/RJ Hunter
Harris/Crowder
Monroe/Olynyk/Mickey
Noel/Zeller/Embiid

[crimson_stallion]

Maybe Danny knows Smart isn't as good as everyone on here think's he is and wants to trade him while his Value is still pretty high

I would say there is some truth to that statement.

Don't get me wrong, I think Smart is going to be an extremely valuable player in this league - the type of player who increases wins everywhere he goes, and the type of player every team wants to have. 

But I have my question marks as to whether he will ever actually become a true star player. 

The way I look at it, there are four categories of stars:

Category A - Franchise Players
These are guys who you could make an argument for being top 5 overall in the league, and top at their position.  Guys who are almost certain to go down in history as an all-time great once their careers are said and done.  These are guys who are so good that you don't even bother making trade inquiries, because you know that (unless they force their way out via free agency) they are are untouchable.   Includes players like Chris Paul (in his prime), James Harden, Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Anthony Davis. 

Category B - Superstars
This category typically includes the guys who arguably rank top 20 in the NBA (top 3) at their position.  These guys are not quite Franchise Players, but are right on the borderline.  Guys like Demarcus Cousins (Borderline Category A), Dwight Howard, Kevin Love, Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony,  Paul George, Russel Westbrook, Stephen Curry (arguably Category A), Kobe. 

Category C: Clear All-Stars
This category basically includes all the guys who are among the top in the league at their positions, but not quite at that elite/superstar level. Guys like Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin,  Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson, John Wall, Damian Lillard.

Category D: Boderline All-Stars
This category includes all the guys who are right on the borderline of being an All-Star.  They barely make (or barely miss) being voted to the All-Star game and don't really put up the type of statistics you expect from an all-out star, but are extremely valuable to their teams none the less.  This includes guys like Al Horford, Greg Monroe, Andre Iguodala, Gordon Hayward,  Luol Deng (in his Bulls days), Zach Randolph, Paul Millsap, Tyson Chandler (Dallas days), etc.

Looking at Smart, I think his ceiling is that of a Category D star - somebody who could be a nice complimentary (second or third piece) on a championship contender, but not somebody good enough to do the carrying himself.

So if you are Danny and you have a chance at getting a guy who is a Category C (or better) star but the condition is that you need to give up Smart...then I think that no matter how much you love Marcus Smart, you have to make the deal.

I think that's exactly what Danny's mind frame is, and I don't think he'd trade Smart unless he could get AT LEAS another category D star (preferably Category C or higher) in return.

Looking at Rozier, I feel like he has the potential to become a Category C star - I could see him becoming a Damian Lillard / Jimmy Butler caliber player.  I don't see that type of potential in Smart...but even a Category D star is still extremely valuable, which is why I would like to keep him here unless there's a chance for a significant upgrade.

For comparison purposes, I see Sully and Olynyk maxing out at Category E (good starter) and Bradley and Bass maxing out at Category F (solid starter) player.

[Tr1boy]

Does not look like he is going anywhere

"Marcus is a big part of our future and our foundation, that intent is not there" Rich Gotham on the prospect on trading Marcus Smart

[tarheelsxxiii]

Does not look like he is going anywhere

"Marcus is a big part of our future and our foundation, that intent is not there" Rich Gotham on the prospect on trading Marcus Smart

Why do you say that? Just curious