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Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2015, 12:39:30 PM »

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16. Boston Celtics: At first there was a lot of headscratching going on. Terry Rozier (No. 16) might have still been around at No. 28 if the Celtics didn't pick him. Nevertheless, they got a guard who's electric in transition and so-so in the halfcourt. R.J. Hunter (No. 28) was still available late in the first round and that's a bank pick. Marcus Thornton (No. 45), another guard, shows Brad Stevens and the Celtics are stockpiling up on good guards. Jordan Mickey (No. 33) provides NBA-ready defense and shot-blocking but needs to make strides offensively. Grade: B.
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Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2015, 12:39:55 PM »

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So to get a good grade we need to pick based on Ford's mock draft board?   ???

Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2015, 12:40:48 PM »

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What alot of people dont see (and you wont find it in your little stat books), is that BOTH Rozier and Hunter were forced to take alot of shots and were the major focus of defenses. As his teams go-to guy, Hunter had to take alot of tough shots (long)...and Rozier was a catalyst responsible for penetration (which leads to some tough shots). Rozier's strength is our team's weakness (attacking and creating).

Their situation in the nBA will not be dependent on volume scoring, which should bring those shooting numbers up IMO.   

Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2015, 12:41:27 PM »

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Draft grades mean just as much as mock drafts, which is to say basically nothing.  Ever notice how gurus never tout any kind of retrospective analysis of how accurate their assessments were in years past?   Though Ford is of course not above polishing his own past rankings to make them look better than they were. 

Re: Ford Gives us a B
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2015, 12:42:05 PM »

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A lot of posters said that the Celtics have no star so should be taking the player who has the best chance of becoming a star or the player with the highest ceiling (which isn't the same thing as taking the best player available).  I've been pointing out that if this is true, the Celtics shouldn't be afraid to take a guard.

A couple of issues with this

(a) It's hard to become a star at the guard position in today's league unless you have outstanding size and athleticism or a fantastic outside shot.  Rozier has the athleticism and good speed, but he's small and his outside shot is poor.

(b) It's difficult to develop into a star if you're the third string point guard.  The Celts have invested significant resources into Thomas and Smart, so a path to playing time is unclear at this point.  Perhaps they'll trade Bradley and Turner and go with a super small backcourt full-time.

Ainge is pretty good at spotting quality players with the basic profile that Rozier presents.  I expect he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA.  Unclear how he'll contribute much to this Celtics rotation, though, and it's not like the team was lacking in solid rotation caliber assets.

Of the players the Celts drafted, Hunter probably has the highest upside.  He looks a bit like Kevin Martin or Korver in the clips I've seen of him.  But he also shot a very poor percentage from three in college.
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Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2015, 12:45:26 PM »

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Draft grades mean just as much as mock drafts, which is to say basically nothing.  Ever notice how gurus never tout any kind of retrospective analysis of how accurate their assessments were in years past?   Though Ford is of course not above polishing his own past rankings to make them look better than they were.

Ford denies doing so. Most likely others at ESPN.

Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2015, 12:45:52 PM »

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So to get a good grade we need to pick based on Ford's mock draft board?   ???

My favorite development this draft season was Ford making the "A" draft board, meaning the picks every team would need to make to get an A from him.  How comical can this stuff get?  "HERE IS THE OBJECTIVELY CORRECT, IMMACULATE DRAFT BOARD!  DEVIATE AND I SHALL BE FORCED TO ATTACH A LOWER LETTER TO THE HALF-PARAGRAPH OF "ANALYSIS" I'VE CLEARLY COBBLED TOGETHER FROM COPY-PASTED BLURBS I WROTE BEFORE THE DRAFT!  SO SPEAKETH THE GURU!!"

Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2015, 12:49:53 PM »

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I'm not particularly excited about the other guys the Celts took.  Hunter seems to entirely duplicate James Young's skillset without the athleticism or defensive potential, and I would have preferred Dakari Johnson or a couple of Euro stashes in the second round. 

If Ainge wanted another undersized power forward, I would have preferred Harrell.

Still, Hunter and Mickey seem like they could outperform their draft position.  If the pick at #16 had been really any of the other guys taken between 17 and 24, I think I would feel OK about the draft, though I'd still be disappointed they didn't move up.

Hunter has more range and a more consistent jumper than Young.  He can also shoot off the dribble better.  I agree with the Johnson comment.  We needed to draft a big unless Danny is fairly certain he can get a big (Hibbert, Monroe, Koufos etc).  That's the only logical reason to pick Rozier also...

I gave the draft a B- on another thread also...Liked the Hunter pick a ton (we need shooters), Didn't like the Rozier pick especially with Portis there.  Liked Mickey because we need shot blockers and he fits value wise in the spot he was chosen.  Didn't like the Thornton pick.  Thought with Upshaw, Wood or Johnson available we should go big or at least the Euro route..

Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2015, 12:52:25 PM »

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No. 16 Terry Rozier, No. 28 R.J. Hunter, No. 33 Jordan Mickey, No. 45 Marcus Thornton.

The Rozier pick makes little sense. He’s an outstanding defender and dynamic scorer, but he’s a reach at No. 16 for a team that already has a point guard and shooting guard of similar style in place.

Luckily for the Celtics, they made up for it by snagging Hunter at the end of the first round. He’s the pure shooter they need in the backcourt, and he has room to grow into something greater.

Mickey gives them potential in the frontcourt. He was one of several sleeper candidates heading into the draft as a dynamic, shot-blocking forward. They finished off with Thornton, yet another point guard but one with speed and shooting ability.

GRADE: C+

Re: Draft Grades
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2015, 01:32:18 PM »

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Boston Celtics: B

Picks: Terry Rozier (16); R.J. Hunter (28); Jordan Mickey (33); Marcus Thornton (45)

So much for that highly-anticipated draft night trade. Danny Ainge only has much influence over a potential trade suitor, though, and did fairly well to rebound from the disappointment of staying put by adding proven talent to his roster.

Rozier, though, still seems a reach in the mid first-round. The Louisville guard is cut from the same cloth as Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart, a plus athlete whose most natural skill is the ability to play disruptor on the perimeter. But his Rozier’s jumper is barely good enough to be considered streaky, and he lacks the feel and nuance befitting a quality backup point guard. That Boston is overloaded with ballhandlers in the backcourt only makes this pick more vexing.

Hunter is the prize here. At times considered a potential late lottery pick, the lanky 6-foot-6 wing is arguably the best shooter in this draft – despite underwhelming numbers in his final season at Georgia State. And though he won’t be known as a playmaker, Hunter has the natural passing ability to thrive in Brad Stevens’ motion-heavy, side-to-side attack.

Mickey, too, represents great value. He’s limited offensively, but has the physical tools and defensive disposition necessary to carve out a niche as a quality reserve big man.