C's want to move 28th pick to clear cap space

[Rosco917]

Steve Kyler: Lakers are also trying to move out of the 27 and Boston trying to move out of 28 too? no surprise on either ? both covet capspace

Draft, Trade, Los Angeles Lakers

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/

Wallace and 28 for a conditional pick that they will never get?  This makes me believe they might actually sign 2 free agents this offseason.

stop, I'm gettin a woody.

[tazzmaniac]

Makes sense.  A pick that late is probably not worth anything anyways. You could package it with 16 to move up a pick or two.  Packaging it with Wallace makes sense.  I wonder if we will have trouble finding a taker, though.  Obviously people will assume we will offer it to Philly... But I actually read that Philly wants to go after free agents this summer (they mentioned harris as a target).  They might not want to take our dead salary for such a weak draft pick.  That's why someone started a thread last week that suggested we would need to include #16 to dump the Wallace salary.

Problematic because I think we NEED to dump the Wallace deal and either Thomas or Bradley if we want to have enough money to offer two max deals.

I have a hard time seeing us sign one MAX player this offseason let alone two.  Who do you think we can realistically get?  If Ainge does pull off a miracle and get two MAX players interested, he has plenty of picks to dump salary including Wallace. 

[BDeCosta26]

Makes sense.  A pick that late is probably not worth anything anyways. You could package it with 16 to move up a pick or two.  Packaging it with Wallace makes sense.  I wonder if we will have trouble finding a taker, though.  Obviously people will assume we will offer it to Philly... But I actually read that Philly wants to go after free agents this summer (they mentioned harris as a target).  They might not want to take our dead salary for such a weak draft pick.  That's why someone started a thread last week that suggested we would need to include #16 to dump the Wallace salary.

Problematic because I think we NEED to dump the Wallace deal and either Thomas or Bradley if we want to have enough money to offer two max deals.

I have a hard time seeing us sign one MAX player this offseason let alone two.  Who do you think we can realistically get?  If Ainge does pull off a miracle and get two MAX players interested, he has plenty of picks to dump salary including Wallace.

Aldridge, Love, Jordan. They could attempt to out-bid Orlando on Harris or be planing an offer for Butler.

I don't think two max-level FA's is very realistic either. One maybe, but not two. But does anyone really think Ainge will just give away picks and assets for cap space he isn't pretty dang sure he's gonna need? I don't.

[mmmmm]

If we want the cap space, Danny can get most of it back just by stretching Wallace' contract.  That knocks almost 7M of the cap space hit off the books without giving up a pick.

Moving a pick makes a lot of sense for a variety of things Danny might try to do.  But simply to clear the Wallace contract off the cap number doesn't seem likely.

Wallace' contract could potentially serve as salary filler in a sign & trade to get someone like Monroe or Aldridge.  In one of those scenarios, yes, you'd need to send a pick or two to compensate for his contract.  But that's why Danny accumulated all these picks for in the first place.

[Lucky17]

Non-sequitur comment. The 28th pick has no place in a conversation about cap space, and vice versa. There's virtually no cap hit by that guaranteed contract, and even Billy King wouldn't take on a contract like Wallace's to get the #28.

Who is Steve Kyler?

[crimson_stallion]

Steve Kyler: Lakers are also trying to move out of the 27 and Boston trying to move out of 28 too? no surprise on either ? both covet capspace

Draft, Trade, Los Angeles Lakers

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/

Wallace and 28 for a conditional pick that they will never get?  This makes me believe they might actually sign 2 free agents this offseason.

I have a feeling that Boston may already have something on the cards for a pair of max contract free agents.   My gut tellsI have a really strong that Boston has something in place already with two big names, and are just keeping things quiet while they execute the other small moves necessary to put them into a position to finalist the big deals.

I don't know why, I just have a gut feeling that something big is going to happen this year. 

Danny Ainge has basically spent the past two years being a seller, doing nothing but collecting various forms of NBA currency (draft picks, trade exceptions, young prospects, etc) and I feel like now - especially after the Celtic's playoff run last season - he's got all the currently he wanted and he's ready to buy.

It's no secret that trading Wallace is the move Ainge needs to make in order to give us the cap space to sign two max contract free agents.

When it comes to adding talent pick #33 is probably more valuable to Boston than Pick #28, since any pick this late in the draft is going to be a gamble...and the #33 pick (being in the second round) would be a non-guaranteed contract.

So because of this, I would expect to see Ainge try to package Wallace + Pick #28 to a rebuilding team who doesn't expect to compete any time soon, and so is happy to take a one $10M cap hit in order to pick up an extra first round pick in this year's draft.

Danny would probably then make an attempt to package #16 and #45 with one of their young prospects (maybe Sully or Bradley) in order to move up in to the top 10 in this year's draft.

If Danny manages to make all this happen, then he basically has:

1) A top 10 1st round pick that he can use on an NBA ready guy who can produce right away
2) A #33 2nd round pick that he can use to draft a high risk, high upside guy (non-guaranteed)
3) Enough cap space to sign two max contract free agents

Very nice position for Danny to be in. 

I think there's a very real chance that Bradley might be one of the guys offered here.  All the media reports suggest that Danny is working hard to make Isaiah Thomas feel like he's a big part of this team's future, and the interest / excitement appears to be mutual because Thomas sounds extremely excited too.  I can't see Thomas being THAT excited to know he'll be around for anther 2-3 years as the Celtics 6th man, so that leads me to suspect that Danny is planning on building around Smart and Thomas. 

Maybe it's not just one guy - maybe Danny is planning on dealing a couple of established young players (Say, Sully AND Bradley) in order to jump in to the top 5?  For a team like the Knicks (who need all the talent they can get) Bradley + Sully + #16 would be a pretty good return for pick #4.


   

I guess we'll find out. 

[crimson_stallion]

Non-sequitur comment. The 28th pick has no place in a conversation about cap space, and vice versa. There's virtually no cap hit by that guaranteed contract, and even Billy King wouldn't take on a contract like Wallace's to get the #28.

Who is Steve Kyler?

It may not be as outrageous as you think. 

As of this season, Wallace had two years left at $10m a year.  Once the season rolls over (which I guess sit technically has now) that drops to one year at $10m. 

Any team who trades for Wallace only has to take a $10M cap hit for the 2015-16 , then after that his contract expires and said team has $10M in extra cap space.

The cap is expected to leap dramatically in 2016-17 so any team who's looking to buy at that time (and that has other contracts expiring that year) may well find that it's more valuable for them to have cap space in 2016-17 rather than in 2015-16. 

If that's the case, and that team has the cap space to absorb Wallace, they may well be more than happy to do so while earning a free 1st round pick as a sweetener.

[crimson_stallion]

Makes sense.  A pick that late is probably not worth anything anyways. You could package it with 16 to move up a pick or two.  Packaging it with Wallace makes sense.  I wonder if we will have trouble finding a taker, though.  Obviously people will assume we will offer it to Philly... But I actually read that Philly wants to go after free agents this summer (they mentioned harris as a target).  They might not want to take our dead salary for such a weak draft pick.  That's why someone started a thread last week that suggested we would need to include #16 to dump the Wallace salary.

Problematic because I think we NEED to dump the Wallace deal and either Thomas or Bradley if we want to have enough money to offer two max deals.

I have a hard time seeing us sign one MAX player this offseason let alone two.  Who do you think we can realistically get?  If Ainge does pull off a miracle and get two MAX players interested, he has plenty of picks to dump salary including Wallace.

Aldridge, Love, Jordan. They could attempt to out-bid Orlando on Harris or be planing an offer for Butler.

I don't think two max-level FA's is very realistic either. One maybe, but not two. But does anyone really think Ainge will just give away picks and assets for cap space he isn't pretty dang sure he's gonna need? I don't.

I see Monroe, Love, Aldridge, Matthews all as very possibly (not necessarily probable) FA targets for Boston. 

Out of those I think Monroe and Matthews are the most probable - I think Boston could be an intriguing destination for both players.

Good fit, too.   

1) Matthews could play SF alongside Smart and Bradley - that would be an elite defensive trio with plenty of scoring too...plus they'd retain Thomas as the huge offensive spark plug off the bench.

2) Boston could trade Bradley and Start Thomas (PG), Smart (SG) and Matthews (SF).  That would be a very dangerous offensive lineup, and the defense of Smart + Matthews would more than make up for Thomas' defensive issues.

If Boston then add's Monroe at center and starts Olynyk at PF, either of those lineups (Smart/Bradley/Matthews/Olynyk or Thomas/Smart/Matthews/Olynyk) would space the floor well enough to perfectly compliment Monroe's inside game.

It's no superstar filled team, but that would be a VERY tough roster that could win a lot of games (much like Atlanta's this year).

[gpap]

Makes sense.  A pick that late is probably not worth anything anyways. You could package it with 16 to move up a pick or two.  Packaging it with Wallace makes sense.  I wonder if we will have trouble finding a taker, though.  Obviously people will assume we will offer it to Philly... But I actually read that Philly wants to go after free agents this summer (they mentioned harris as a target).  They might not want to take our dead salary for such a weak draft pick.  That's why someone started a thread last week that suggested we would need to include #16 to dump the Wallace salary.

Problematic because I think we NEED to dump the Wallace deal and either Thomas or Bradley if we want to have enough money to offer two max deals.

I have a hard time seeing us sign one MAX player this offseason let alone two.  Who do you think we can realistically get?  If Ainge does pull off a miracle and get two MAX players interested, he has plenty of picks to dump salary including Wallace.

Aldridge, Love, Jordan. They could attempt to out-bid Orlando on Harris or be planing an offer for Butler.

I don't think two max-level FA's is very realistic either. One maybe, but not two. But does anyone really think Ainge will just give away picks and assets for cap space he isn't pretty dang sure he's gonna need? I don't.

I think he SHOULD definitely do exactly just that.

In my "how to get 2 max players" thread, I talk about just that.

I think it's time to stop thinking in terms of accumulating "assets" and draft picks and start cashing in.

I agree getting 2 max guys is an unlikely scenario but if I am Ainge, I do whatever I can to make that happen!