Real look at Love and Cavs predicament

[zubi.anaba]

Just to make sure I'm following:

Love is best served as Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love does not want to be Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love would come to Boston  if we had a secondary star in place (although the Ray Allen trade meant that we had two star players in Ray and Pierce, which we wouldn't have now).

I guess I don't get it? If he's leaving Cleveland, why wouldn't he go somewhere that was closer to winning a title than Boston?

Yes if you remember Blatt was actually playing Love off the bench for some period of time which shows he can see it too, Love can and would probably win a title in Cleveland but it will be a minor role and for someone his age and his talent I don't think he wants.

As for the Ray Allen trade, I'm just using it as a reference to be a symbol that Boston are serious about contending now and here he will be a star and centralised, this is all he really wants, other trades and signings can happen later, Love is 26 not in his 30's like Ray, Paul and KG were...there is time to develop a team around him and another star player.

OMG when has Klove ever come off the bench??? Its really incredible how mis-informed some ppl are

[celticsclay]

Just to make sure I'm following:

Love is best served as Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love does not want to be Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love would come to Boston  if we had a secondary star in place (although the Ray Allen trade meant that we had two star players in Ray and Pierce, which we wouldn't have now).

I guess I don't get it? If he's leaving Cleveland, why wouldn't he go somewhere that was closer to winning a title than Boston?

Yes if you remember Blatt was actually playing Love off the bench for some period of time which shows he can see it too, Love can and would probably win a title in Cleveland but it will be a minor role and for someone his age and his talent I don't think he wants.

As for the Ray Allen trade, I'm just using it as a reference to be a symbol that Boston are serious about contending now and here he will be a star and centralised, this is all he really wants, other trades and signings can happen later, Love is 26 not in his 30's like Ray, Paul and KG were...there is time to develop a team around him and another star player.

OMG when has Klove ever come off the bench??? Its really incredible how mis-informed some ppl are

lulz good work Zubi

[fmf2]

The Cavs will have a $10+ million salary slot to fill by using Brendan Haywood's non-guaranteed deal.  They can find one or two guys there.  Then, they'll have the Taxpayer's MLE to bring in somebody else.

If ownership spends the money, the Cavs are going to be stacked.
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They will face difficult decisions next year...it seems that they won't be able to sign both love and thompson...resigning Verajao killed their cap...they will probably need to just let Haywood's deal expire:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/01/explainer-cleveland-cavaliers-salary-kyrie-irving/

 

[Roy H.]

They will face difficult decisions next year...it seems that they won't be able to sign both love and thompson...resigning Verajao killed their cap...they will probably need to just let Haywood's deal expire:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/01/explainer-cleveland-cavaliers-salary-kyrie-irving/

They only face difficult decisions if Dan Gilbert doesn't want to spend a ton of tax for one year.  That's never been a problem for him in the past, though.  If he wants to spend, then he can bring back Love, Thompson, Shump, etc., plus add $10+ million in salary with Haywood's salary and another $3.5 million or so using the Taxpayer's MLE.

With the cap set to explode, Gilbert has to decide whether paying tens of millions of taxes for one year is worth setting the team up for multiple championships.  My guess is that that's not a difficult question.

Here's the flaw in the argument you cited:

So no, Gilbert can’t buy a championship. He has said repeatedly that taxes won’t be an issue. But it’s hard to imagine how that’s actually true.

Why is it hard to imagine that Gilbert is telling the truth?  His net worth increased by $1 billion last year.  Investing even an extra $50 million in his team is a drop in the bucket, especially considering how much the value of the Cavs will increase after winning a championship or three.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Just to make sure I'm following:

Love is best served as Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love does not want to be Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love would come to Boston  if we had a secondary star in place (although the Ray Allen trade meant that we had two star players in Ray and Pierce, which we wouldn't have now).

I guess I don't get it? If he's leaving Cleveland, why wouldn't he go somewhere that was closer to winning a title than Boston?

Yes if you remember Blatt was actually playing Love off the bench for some period of time which shows he can see it too, Love can and would probably win a title in Cleveland but it will be a minor role and for someone his age and his talent I don't think he wants.

As for the Ray Allen trade, I'm just using it as a reference to be a symbol that Boston are serious about contending now and here he will be a star and centralised, this is all he really wants, other trades and signings can happen later, Love is 26 not in his 30's like Ray, Paul and KG were...there is time to develop a team around him and another star player.

OMG when has Klove ever come off the bench??? Its really incredible how mis-informed some ppl are

lulz good work Zubi

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/03/24/kevin-love-cleveland-cavaliers-bench proof?

[hwangjini_1]

The real Kevin Love look I am talking about is about basketball and not about money, if Love wants the most money possible...he signs with Cavs...period. But if Cavs want to play structurally, the best way to win and Love wants to have a leading role as 'the guy' he should leave.

One thing this Finals have showed is not emergence of Delly but Tristan Thompson as someone with Denis Rodman rebounding potential but with ability to develop on the offensive end too. The tandem of Thompson and Mosgov are the reason along with James that Cavs are 2-2 in the finals and have show to be the future front court going forward. With Irving coming back next season they will have enough offence and ball handlers in the starting 5 and Thompson gives them grit and defensive balance, the real weakness with Cleveland is bench scoring depth. Love best role in this team is 6th man, he would give Irving and James relief on offence and the ability to initiate and finish offence without them on the court...something J.R Smith is too streaky to do/selfish to pass.This would give the Cavs the best roster but is not what Love would want. This is why I could see him on the Celtics but I think we need a Ray Allen trade to show Celtics will be competitive and serious about centring our offence around him.

a small point and not meant to say thompson is a bad player at all. but i doubt this comparison.

in thompson's short career, his best rebounding average for a season was 9.4, nice.

rodman had a career rebounding average of 13.1 and his best season was 18.7 rebounds/game, nearly double thompson's best so far.

thompson may prove to be a very good player, he was chosen 4th in the draft. but he is not rodman yet.

[Roy H.]

Just to make sure I'm following:

Love is best served as Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love does not want to be Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love would come to Boston  if we had a secondary star in place (although the Ray Allen trade meant that we had two star players in Ray and Pierce, which we wouldn't have now).

I guess I don't get it? If he's leaving Cleveland, why wouldn't he go somewhere that was closer to winning a title than Boston?

Yes if you remember Blatt was actually playing Love off the bench for some period of time which shows he can see it too, Love can and would probably win a title in Cleveland but it will be a minor role and for someone his age and his talent I don't think he wants.

As for the Ray Allen trade, I'm just using it as a reference to be a symbol that Boston are serious about contending now and here he will be a star and centralised, this is all he really wants, other trades and signings can happen later, Love is 26 not in his 30's like Ray, Paul and KG were...there is time to develop a team around him and another star player.

OMG when has Klove ever come off the bench??? Its really incredible how mis-informed some ppl are

lulz good work Zubi

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/03/24/kevin-love-cleveland-cavaliers-bench proof?

There's a difference between being benched for the fourth quarter and coming off the bench, isn't there?

[footey]

Just to make sure I'm following:

Love is best served as Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love does not want to be Cleveland's Sixth Man.

Love would come to Boston  if we had a secondary star in place (although the Ray Allen trade meant that we had two star players in Ray and Pierce, which we wouldn't have now).

I guess I don't get it? If he's leaving Cleveland, why wouldn't he go somewhere that was closer to winning a title than Boston?

I have to imagine if we were lucky enough to land one of the big-time FAs (like Love), Ainge would go all-in with trading players/picks for another star player. Something like Sully, Smart, Wallace, BKN 2016 and 18 for Cousins/filler.

Of course we would all like to keep Smart and there are other options out there that would allow us to trade players/picks without including Smart, but for Cousins, that's where discussions begin.

I think we vastly over-rate the trade value of Marcus Smart. He didn't even make first team all rookie. I love his energy and attititude, but feel he lacks the ability to create on his own to score, ala Westbrook, or even ET, and that is why his trade value is not nearly as high as many on this board seem to believe.

[footey]

I think that Love will stay in Cleveland. It is the easiest path to a championship, he is there now, and LeBron will likely tell him how much they need him to be successful. Even if they win this year without him.  Love would be foolish to walk away from playing with the best player of this generation. 

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The entire narrative is "how to beat Lebron" all the time, not how to beat the Cavs.

For that reason alone, and the diminished endorsement opportunities from being a Lebronette, are reason enough to consider other opportunities for a top level player.

And for a guy several years younger than James, one might wonder how long he can keep it up. He is already taking minutes at PF, and likely will take more as time goes by, which is Love's position.

Things to think about if I were Love.

Might take one more year in Cle, but not sure I'd sign up long term.

[Celts Fan 508]

The entire narrative is "how to beat Lebron" all the time, not how to beat the Cavs.

For that reason alone, and the diminished endorsement opportunities from being a Lebronette, are reason enough to consider other opportunities for a top level player.

And for a guy several years younger than James, one might wonder how long he can keep it up. He is already taking minutes at PF, and likely will take more as time goes by, which is Love's position.

Things to think about if I were Love.

Might take one more year in Cle, but not sure I'd sign up long term.

I agree with this 100%, it makes sense for Love to stay in Cleveland one more year or to leave now, but he would be foolish to stay there long term as Lebron will play the 4 more often in the coming years.