Resign Crowder, Trade up for Stanley Johnson, Sign Jordan=Best D in NBA

[Ilikesports17]

I think Danny definitely has the ammo to trade into the top 8-10 . That is where Johnson is projected to be . He will be as good, if not better than Crowder defensively , and has a solid offensive game already

Then hop to re-sign crowder to a Bradley type 8 mil per year contract ( Would have to move Bradley or Wallace's contract in order to still have enough to offer a max next year )

Sign Jordan to 15 mil range

PG: Thomas      / AB
SG: Smart        / Turner
SF: Crowder     / Stanley Johnso
PF: Sully           / KO
 C: Jordan        / Zeller


would have to eventually add legit scorers at the PF , PG and/or SG spot


We would be lethal Defensively

You can't trade a role player and some dead to last picks and expect other GMs to cough up the chance to draft their next star... it just doesn't work that way... they won't take nothing less than sure fire starters for picks 4-10, stars in their prime for picks 1-3.. I can see us moving up by trading Sullinger but don't be surprised if we don't crack the top-10... and I'd say this TRADING OUR NETS PICKS WOULD BE FOOLISH!!! is the only decent chance we have on getting our next star.

Well lets just look at last years draft for example....

The Bulls traded : picks 16,19 and a 2nd rd pick
Bulls got back pick # 11

Yes that didn't crack the top 10, but just about got the Bulls into the top 10

C's have plenty of more assets to move if they really want to get up and grab someone they like around # 8


With the way Dallas' season has turned out with the Rondo situation, Parsons getting hurt, and Dirk aging , that Dallas pick could become very desirable . Same with all the Brooklyn picks

If you offered something like

Bos sends: #16, clips pick, and one of Dallas or Brooklyns 2016 pick

I could easily seeing us getting into the top 10 and maybe getting

We would still have either the dallas pick and 2 brk picks left for the future, or all 3 brooklyn picks if they want the Dallas pick.

Worth noting on the Chicago trade is that the reason they made the move was to only have to pay 1 rookie to make melo more affordable. They werent really looking to add a great player and knowingly overpaid to get to 11. 

Typically to get from 15-20 to 10-15 is just 1 or two mid/early 2s  especially if you throw in or of our above average bench players and there's no way we couldn't get into 8-10 or even 6 (Sacramento is really really stupid)

[Evantime34]

I think Danny definitely has the ammo to trade into the top 8-10 . That is where Johnson is projected to be . He will be as good, if not better than Crowder defensively , and has a solid offensive game already

Then hop to re-sign crowder to a Bradley type 8 mil per year contract ( Would have to move Bradley or Wallace's contract in order to still have enough to offer a max next year )

Sign Jordan to 15 mil range

PG: Thomas      / AB
SG: Smart        / Turner
SF: Crowder     / Stanley Johnso
PF: Sully           / KO
 C: Jordan        / Zeller


would have to eventually add legit scorers at the PF , PG and/or SG spot


We would be lethal Defensively

and I'd say this TRADING OUR NETS PICKS WOULD BE FOOLISH!!! is the only decent chance we have on getting our next star.

If we can use a Nets pick to move up and grab someone we think will be a star why do we have to wait until next year at the chance we get a star?

[clover]

I think we're ALL gonna be greatly disappointed---when Crowder jumps ship as soon as free agency starts...He's playing for his next contract right now---and that interview Abby Chin did with his father, didn't give me great hope he's coming back.

What did his dad say?

The real irony would be if the cost of making the playoffs instead of sliding back into the lottery were that the C's top two  FAs--Crowder and Jerebko got sufficiently showcased to be lured away by contenders willing to overpay.

That could make this playoffs run quite costly.

Crowder is a restricted free agent. As long as he doesn't sign an offer sheet before we sign a good free agent we can go over the cap to sign him to any contract we want. I expect him to get paid here and his contract to not effect our pursuit of other free agents. Jerebko on the other hand I could see him leaving.

He might just get offered more than Danny's willing to pay.

[CelticGuardian]

I think Danny definitely has the ammo to trade into the top 8-10 . That is where Johnson is projected to be . He will be as good, if not better than Crowder defensively , and has a solid offensive game already

Then hop to re-sign crowder to a Bradley type 8 mil per year contract ( Would have to move Bradley or Wallace's contract in order to still have enough to offer a max next year )

Sign Jordan to 15 mil range

PG: Thomas      / AB
SG: Smart        / Turner
SF: Crowder     / Stanley Johnso
PF: Sully           / KO
 C: Jordan        / Zeller


would have to eventually add legit scorers at the PF , PG and/or SG spot


We would be lethal Defensively

You can't trade a role player and some dead to last picks and expect other GMs to cough up the chance to draft their next star... it just doesn't work that way... they won't take nothing less than sure fire starters for picks 4-10, stars in their prime for picks 1-3.. I can see us moving up by trading Sullinger but don't be surprised if we don't crack the top-10... and I'd say this TRADING OUR NETS PICKS WOULD BE FOOLISH!!! is the only decent chance we have on getting our next star.

Well lets just look at last years draft for example....

The Bulls traded : picks 16,19 and a 2nd rd pick
Bulls got back pick # 11

Yes that didn't crack the top 10, but just about got the Bulls into the top 10

C's have plenty of more assets to move if they really want to get up and grab someone they like around # 8


With the way Dallas' season has turned out with the Rondo situation, Parsons getting hurt, and Dirk aging , that Dallas pick could become very desirable . Same with all the Brooklyn picks

If you offered something like

Bos sends: #16, clips pick, and one of Dallas or Brooklyns 2016 pick

I could easily seeing us getting into the top 10 and maybe getting

We would still have either the dallas pick and 2 brk picks left for the future, or all 3 brooklyn picks if they want the Dallas pick.

Worth noting on the Chicago trade is that the reason they made the move was to only have to pay 1 rookie to make melo more affordable. They werent really looking to add a great player and knowingly overpaid to get to 11. 

Typically to get from 15-20 to 10-15 is just 1 or two mid/early 2s  especially if you throw in or of our above average bench players and there's no way we couldn't get into 8-10 or even 6 (Sacramento is really really stupid)

So lottery teams, are going to pass up drafting in the top 10 to POTENTIALLY MAYBE (keywording here) draft in the top ten in the near future?

The future is never certain, GMs know that more than anybody. If they have expended all resources scouting a guy for the now, and then we come along with Sullinger and a plethora of picks, what's Danny's sales pitch? "Here's a role player, our 16th pick, and keep an eye on the Nets record next season"?...

Get out.

No team is dumb enough not even the Kings(consistent lottery team, year after year using their pick)... but then again Danny's been scouting Mario Hezonja who is projected to fall at #6.. and if you ask me... he's a stud, could be the next Vince Carter... I guess we'll see on draft day

[Ilikesports17]

I think Danny definitely has the ammo to trade into the top 8-10 . That is where Johnson is projected to be . He will be as good, if not better than Crowder defensively , and has a solid offensive game already

Then hop to re-sign crowder to a Bradley type 8 mil per year contract ( Would have to move Bradley or Wallace's contract in order to still have enough to offer a max next year )

Sign Jordan to 15 mil range

PG: Thomas      / AB
SG: Smart        / Turner
SF: Crowder     / Stanley Johnso
PF: Sully           / KO
 C: Jordan        / Zeller


would have to eventually add legit scorers at the PF , PG and/or SG spot


We would be lethal Defensively

You can't trade a role player and some dead to last picks and expect other GMs to cough up the chance to draft their next star... it just doesn't work that way... they won't take nothing less than sure fire starters for picks 4-10, stars in their prime for picks 1-3.. I can see us moving up by trading Sullinger but don't be surprised if we don't crack the top-10... and I'd say this TRADING OUR NETS PICKS WOULD BE FOOLISH!!! is the only decent chance we have on getting our next star.

Well lets just look at last years draft for example....

The Bulls traded : picks 16,19 and a 2nd rd pick
Bulls got back pick # 11

Yes that didn't crack the top 10, but just about got the Bulls into the top 10

C's have plenty of more assets to move if they really want to get up and grab someone they like around # 8


With the way Dallas' season has turned out with the Rondo situation, Parsons getting hurt, and Dirk aging , that Dallas pick could become very desirable . Same with all the Brooklyn picks

If you offered something like

Bos sends: #16, clips pick, and one of Dallas or Brooklyns 2016 pick

I could easily seeing us getting into the top 10 and maybe getting

We would still have either the dallas pick and 2 brk picks left for the future, or all 3 brooklyn picks if they want the Dallas pick.

Worth noting on the Chicago trade is that the reason they made the move was to only have to pay 1 rookie to make melo more affordable. They werent really looking to add a great player and knowingly overpaid to get to 11. 

Typically to get from 15-20 to 10-15 is just 1 or two mid/early 2s  especially if you throw in or of our above average bench players and there's no way we couldn't get into 8-10 or even 6 (Sacramento is really really stupid)

So lottery teams, are going to pass up drafting in the top 10 to POTENTIALLY MAYBE (keywording here) draft in the top ten in the near future?

The future is never certain, GMs know that more than anybody. If they have expended all resources scouting a guy for the now, and then we come along with Sullinger and a plethora of picks, what's Danny's sales pitch? "Here's a role player, our 16th pick, and keep an eye on the Nets record next season"?...

Get out.

No team is dumb enough not even the Kings(consistent lottery team, year after year using their pick)... but then again Danny's been scouting Mario Hezonja who is projected to fall at #6.. and if you ask me... he's a stud, could be the next Vince Carter... I guess we'll see on draft day

I looked through the past several drafts and very rarely to teams trade top 10 picks but its not so expensive to get close

pick 9 went for selections 14 and 21
pick 13 went for 16 +2nds
pick 13 for 16 +2nds again
11+Morris Peterson (8th man type) for 21 + 26
7 for early #2 and cash

Do you honestly believe that a team wouldnt do Brooklyn 16 or 17, Sully, #16 this year for 8,9, or 10???

I mean 9 for 14 and 21 is way cheaper than 9 for 16, lotto pick and sully

also what happens if they expend all those resources and decide that the dont like the guy they like best all that much? what if they think he has big time bust potential or a low ceiling?

What if they see him and say man this guy will probably be a comparable pro to Sully and I can have Sully along with another shot at the top 10 next year.

The top 10 in itself is a shot at "potentially maybe" a star.

Look back at the last 3 drafts and youll find that there are 3 really good finds in the 8-10 range and 3 very good but not quire as good guys in the 15-17 range.

Would you rather have 1 shot at 8-10 or 1 shot at 15-17, one guaranteed decent player, and one shot at anywhere from 5-14

because Id rather the latter
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Also where are you getting that on Hezonja, he hardly plays in europe and all ive been able to see are highlight reels on him? do you have any solid scouting because he looks really intriguing to me.

I like Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson. I hope 1 slips to 8-10 where we can hopefully pounce.

I was thinking wed do the Zach Lowe suggestion of AB to Jazz for pick 12 and throw in 2s if necessary, then send 12, 16, Sully to Sacremento to 6. I only think theyd consider this because BPA here is going to be Winslow, Hezonja, johnson, Prozingis WCS. the only one that makes any sense for them is Prozingis, so if they dont like him I think theyd much rather drop back to 12 and 16 where they could get Grant (pg is a need) and a guy like lyles or Harrel or Looney (pf is another need) but for the time being Sully could come in and start till the project is ready.

Collison Grant
Mclemore Stauskas
Gay
Sully Lyles
Cousins

combine that with the fact that they are completely inept as an organization and you may have a shot.

I mean it makes no sense to draft WCS nor does it make sense to draft a wing because they just gave a huge extension to Gay and have spent top 10 picks on wings the last 2 years. If they dont like Prozingis and cant get Mudiay or Russell I could see them taking this.

Then again thats reliant on the AB for 12 thing being accurate which I tend to doubt

[CelticGuardian]

I think Danny definitely has the ammo to trade into the top 8-10 . That is where Johnson is projected to be . He will be as good, if not better than Crowder defensively , and has a solid offensive game already

Then hop to re-sign crowder to a Bradley type 8 mil per year contract ( Would have to move Bradley or Wallace's contract in order to still have enough to offer a max next year )

Sign Jordan to 15 mil range

PG: Thomas      / AB
SG: Smart        / Turner
SF: Crowder     / Stanley Johnso
PF: Sully           / KO
 C: Jordan        / Zeller


would have to eventually add legit scorers at the PF , PG and/or SG spot


We would be lethal Defensively

You can't trade a role player and some dead to last picks and expect other GMs to cough up the chance to draft their next star... it just doesn't work that way... they won't take nothing less than sure fire starters for picks 4-10, stars in their prime for picks 1-3.. I can see us moving up by trading Sullinger but don't be surprised if we don't crack the top-10... and I'd say this TRADING OUR NETS PICKS WOULD BE FOOLISH!!! is the only decent chance we have on getting our next star.

Well lets just look at last years draft for example....

The Bulls traded : picks 16,19 and a 2nd rd pick
Bulls got back pick # 11

Yes that didn't crack the top 10, but just about got the Bulls into the top 10

C's have plenty of more assets to move if they really want to get up and grab someone they like around # 8


With the way Dallas' season has turned out with the Rondo situation, Parsons getting hurt, and Dirk aging , that Dallas pick could become very desirable . Same with all the Brooklyn picks

If you offered something like

Bos sends: #16, clips pick, and one of Dallas or Brooklyns 2016 pick

I could easily seeing us getting into the top 10 and maybe getting

We would still have either the dallas pick and 2 brk picks left for the future, or all 3 brooklyn picks if they want the Dallas pick.

Worth noting on the Chicago trade is that the reason they made the move was to only have to pay 1 rookie to make melo more affordable. They werent really looking to add a great player and knowingly overpaid to get to 11. 

Typically to get from 15-20 to 10-15 is just 1 or two mid/early 2s  especially if you throw in or of our above average bench players and there's no way we couldn't get into 8-10 or even 6 (Sacramento is really really stupid)

So lottery teams, are going to pass up drafting in the top 10 to POTENTIALLY MAYBE (keywording here) draft in the top ten in the near future?

The future is never certain, GMs know that more than anybody. If they have expended all resources scouting a guy for the now, and then we come along with Sullinger and a plethora of picks, what's Danny's sales pitch? "Here's a role player, our 16th pick, and keep an eye on the Nets record next season"?...

Get out.

No team is dumb enough not even the Kings(consistent lottery team, year after year using their pick)... but then again Danny's been scouting Mario Hezonja who is projected to fall at #6.. and if you ask me... he's a stud, could be the next Vince Carter... I guess we'll see on draft day

I looked through the past several drafts and very rarely to teams trade top 10 picks but its not so expensive to get close

pick 9 went for selections 14 and 21
pick 13 went for 16 +2nds
pick 13 for 16 +2nds again
11+Morris Peterson (8th man type) for 21 + 26
7 for early #2 and cash

Do you honestly believe that a team wouldnt do Brooklyn 16 or 17, Sully, #16 this year for 8,9, or 10???

I mean 9 for 14 and 21 is way cheaper than 9 for 16, lotto pick and sully

also what happens if they expend all those resources and decide that the dont like the guy they like best all that much? what if they think he has big time bust potential or a low ceiling?

What if they see him and say man this guy will probably be a comparable pro to Sully and I can have Sully along with another shot at the top 10 next year.

The top 10 in itself is a shot at "potentially maybe" a star.

Look back at the last 3 drafts and youll find that there are 3 really good finds in the 8-10 range and 3 very good but not quire as good guys in the 15-17 range.

Would you rather have 1 shot at 8-10 or 1 shot at 15-17, one guaranteed decent player, and one shot at anywhere from 5-14

because Id rather the latter
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Also where are you getting that on Hezonja, he hardly plays in europe and all ive been able to see are highlight reels on him? do you have any solid scouting because he looks really intriguing to me.

I like Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson. I hope 1 slips to 8-10 where we can hopefully pounce.

I was thinking wed do the Zach Lowe suggestion of AB to Jazz for pick 12 and throw in 2s if necessary, then send 12, 16, Sully to Sacremento to 6. I only think theyd consider this because BPA here is going to be Winslow, Hezonja, johnson, Prozingis WCS. the only one that makes any sense for them is Prozingis, so if they dont like him I think theyd much rather drop back to 12 and 16 where they could get Grant (pg is a need) and a guy like lyles or Harrel or Looney (pf is another need) but for the time being Sully could come in and start till the project is ready.

Collison Grant
Mclemore Stauskas
Gay
Sully Lyles
Cousins

combine that with the fact that they are completely inept as an organization and you may have a shot.

I mean it makes no sense to draft WCS nor does it make sense to draft a wing because they just gave a huge extension to Gay and have spent top 10 picks on wings the last 2 years. If they dont like Prozingis and cant get Mudiay or Russell I could see them taking this.

Then again thats reliant on the AB for 12 thing being accurate which I tend to doubt

Again, will see in the draft.

That's not much to speculate on, considering they could just hope to nab a power forward like Lamarcus Aldridge in free agency.

[slamtheking]

With the way Dallas' season has turned out with the Rondo situation, Parsons getting hurt, and Dirk aging , that Dallas pick could become very desirable . Same with all the Brooklyn picks

If you offered something like

Bos sends: #16, clips pick, Sully or KO and one of Dallas or Brooklyns 2016 pick

I could easily seeing us getting into the top 10 and maybe getting a future 2nd back

We would still have either the dallas pick and 2 brk picks left for the future, or all 3 brooklyn picks if they want the Dallas pick.

that's a gross overpayment to move up 8 spots.

#16 and Sully should be more than enough.  #16 will still land a good prospect and Sully's shown he's solid around the basket and a very good rebounder.  Sully gets bashed here a lot and I don't think people are seeing he's a good young player.  Substitute KO for Sully and we should still be able to get that pick.
if we keep both of them, the Dallas pick next year should do it (maybe having to add a Sixers second rounder in exchange for someone else's coming back) .  I wouldn't part with a Nets pick whatsoever.  I see dallas dropping out of the playoffs but not as far as the Nets will

[CelticGuardian]

With the way Dallas' season has turned out with the Rondo situation, Parsons getting hurt, and Dirk aging , that Dallas pick could become very desirable . Same with all the Brooklyn picks

If you offered something like

Bos sends: #16, clips pick, Sully or KO and one of Dallas or Brooklyns 2016 pick

I could easily seeing us getting into the top 10 and maybe getting a future 2nd back

We would still have either the dallas pick and 2 brk picks left for the future, or all 3 brooklyn picks if they want the Dallas pick.

that's a gross overpayment to move up 8 spots.

#16 and Sully should be more than enough.  #16 will still land a good prospect and Sully's shown he's solid around the basket and a very good rebounder.  Sully gets bashed here a lot and I don't think people are seeing he's a good young player.  Substitute KO for Sully and we should still be able to get that pick.
if we keep both of them, the Dallas pick next year should do it (maybe having to add a Sixers second rounder in exchange for someone else's coming back) .  I wouldn't part with a Nets pick whatsoever.  I see dallas dropping out of the playoffs but not as far as the Nets will

Sully has an injury history, and is NOW working on getting healthier which has made his upside questionable.. look at his numbers this years and compare them to last and tell me if you see a leap anywhere (...I'll wait). And don't think that the other teams don't know that.

Like in any draft there could be sleeper stars anywhere even in the second round... but why do we want to trade up so badly?! Oh wait! because that's where the best chance to nab one is!! DUH!! We must be geniuses if the other teams won't figure that one out.

BTW quite frankly we don't need 4 rookies next year. So I agree that we will obviously trade up... I'm telling you though, unless we are giving up Smart(who now might not even be that enticing of a trade chip as he was before the season started) or Isaiah we aren't getting into that top 10 unless we are REALLY lucky.