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How many wins would this get us next year
« on: March 25, 2015, 02:31:02 AM »

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KG/Zeller
Sully/KO/Bass
Pierce/Crowder/Jerebko
Bradley/Smart/Young
Rondo/IT/Pressey

I'm not seriously advocating this, but we could do worse. Rondo may not want to come back and might get paid too much somewhere. But he played well here and if things turned south in Dallas and he wanted to come back I 'd take him in a second. It would be hilarious to trade a guy for a pick and then sign him back half a season later. PP has a year left which he could opt out but I think its like 10 mil so we'd still have to pay him something. the KG ship may have sailed as he is back in Minny and it might be weird to go back just to leave again.

Re: How many wins would this get us next year
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 02:50:02 AM »

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I know Rondo is really polarizing here but if we can't get a star in the offseason and Rondo can't get the deal he wants MAYBE a 1 year max deal could make sense for everyone. Rondo gets a year to prove he is worth more and the cap will go up a lot. We get some talent while keeping our flexibility to sign a max guy in the summer of 2016. We could also create an expiring max contract (on a guy that is not dead weight) that could be a nice trade chip.

The more I think about it, even if its not for Rondo, I like the idea of overpaying for a 1 year deal. If we send out 1 year max offer sheets on RFAs that could really screw over another team if they don't want to pay. So it could be Win-Win-Lose: We win, the player wins, and the other team loses a talent. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 03:22:01 AM »

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Kg will retire in minny... rondo is useless with smart bradley and it... the only one i want is paul

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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 03:38:18 AM »

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Paul is the most likely for sure. I think we need to make some other move first to convince Paul to come back. We at least have to be as good as Washington so PP isn't downgrading. Cousins, Gasol, Love I think it might take getting someone like that. You'd figure we are set at the 1 and 2. PP would make us set at the 3. It's the 4 and 5 we need to upgrade. What could Sully plus a nets pick get us?

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 07:45:53 AM »

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I know Rondo is really polarizing here but if we can't get a star in the offseason and Rondo can't get the deal he wants MAYBE a 1 year max deal could make sense for everyone. Rondo gets a year to prove he is worth more and the cap will go up a lot. We get some talent while keeping our flexibility to sign a max guy in the summer of 2016. We could also create an expiring max contract (on a guy that is not dead weight) that could be a nice trade chip.

The more I think about it, even if its not for Rondo, I like the idea of overpaying for a 1 year deal. If we send out 1 year max offer sheets on RFAs that could really screw over another team if they don't want to pay. So it could be Win-Win-Lose: We win, the player wins, and the other team loses a talent.

Offers to RFAs have to be at least two years in length, not counting any options.

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 09:35:18 AM »

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about 30 wins...

I have a suspicion Rondo will not get an offer from Dallas period.
He should be able to get an offer in the 8 to 10 million range from someone, which is about what he's really worth, as long as it isn't the Celtics.

KG wants to retire where it all began, and get involved with ownership.

Depending on how things shake out, with the draft and getting help at center, I wouldn't mind seeing Paul retire a celtic, while helping out with scoring at the SF position.

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 09:36:57 AM »

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I think it would hurt us more than help us.   KG could be a coach perhaps but he is not as productive as he used to be, but a great mentor.   PP has lost a step too, folks.  No man defies old age that long.

That is my head and logic talking, my heart would love to have PP back.   I think KG is going to try to buy the Wolves I read, so I think he stays there.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 09:50:16 AM »

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KG/Zeller
Sully/KO/Bass
Pierce/Crowder/Jerebko
Bradley/Smart/Young
Rondo/IT/Pressey

I'm not seriously advocating this, but we could do worse. Rondo may not want to come back and might get paid too much somewhere. But he played well here and if things turned south in Dallas and he wanted to come back I 'd take him in a second. It would be hilarious to trade a guy for a pick and then sign him back half a season later. PP has a year left which he could opt out but I think its like 10 mil so we'd still have to pay him something. the KG ship may have sailed as he is back in Minny and it might be weird to go back just to leave again.

I don't think we'd get much out of that team.  KG is not good enough anymore, but I'd love to get Pierce back, not as a starter though.  Also, we need to hold onto Turner.  The kid is good and very versatile.  We need someone like Jordan at center, not KG.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 10:08:02 AM »

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KG/Zeller
Sully/KO/Bass
Pierce/Crowder/Jerebko
Bradley/Smart/Young
Rondo/IT/Pressey

I'm not seriously advocating this, but we could do worse. Rondo may not want to come back and might get paid too much somewhere. But he played well here and if things turned south in Dallas and he wanted to come back I 'd take him in a second. It would be hilarious to trade a guy for a pick and then sign him back half a season later. PP has a year left which he could opt out but I think its like 10 mil so we'd still have to pay him something. the KG ship may have sailed as he is back in Minny and it might be weird to go back just to leave again.
perhaps, but is that the appropriate standard for this team?

next, this team is winning a LOT more games without rondo being a celtic. i don't see how bringing him back creates more wins.

next, KG is cooked, fried, fork-ready. in terms of production he would add little to this team, aside from being a nice bench player for 15 minutes a night. how many wins will that get the celtics?

pierce, he would add a few wins. but he would also eat up playing time for youngsters. i am not sure why the celtics would invest in a few wins now at the possible expense of player development and more wins later.

many other free agents would probably provide more wins than this walk down memory lane. but at least you didn't throw perk into this group. thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2015, 04:31:49 AM »

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IF IF IF we could get one of Love, Cousins or Gasol and then bring PP back and keep pretty much everyone we'd be pretty good:

Cousins/Zeller
Sully/Bass/KO
PP/Crowder
AB/IT
Smart/Turner

Zeller/Bass
Love/Sully/KO
PP/Crowder
AB/IT
Smart/Turner

Zeller/Bass
Gasol/Sully/KO
PP/Crowder
AB/IT
Smart/Turner

it might even work with Monroe:

Monroe/Zeller
Sully/Bass/KO
PP/Crowder
AB/IT
Smart/Turner

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 04:35:05 AM »

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I know Rondo is really polarizing here but if we can't get a star in the offseason and Rondo can't get the deal he wants MAYBE a 1 year max deal could make sense for everyone. Rondo gets a year to prove he is worth more and the cap will go up a lot. We get some talent while keeping our flexibility to sign a max guy in the summer of 2016. We could also create an expiring max contract (on a guy that is not dead weight) that could be a nice trade chip.

The more I think about it, even if its not for Rondo, I like the idea of overpaying for a 1 year deal. If we send out 1 year max offer sheets on RFAs that could really screw over another team if they don't want to pay. So it could be Win-Win-Lose: We win, the player wins, and the other team loses a talent.

Offers to RFAs have to be at least two years in length, not counting any options.

I thought Rondo was an unrestricted free agent. Can someone clarify.