"Revealing Boston's Most Underrated Skills"

[Snakehead]

Bass is an excellent mid range shooter.  No context needed.

So here's my question about that. Let's say you're in a game.  You're the coach. Does it ever occur to you  "Bass is a great mid range shooter. I want to feed it to him. I want him to be the go to guy tonight?"

My theory is that if the answer is "No. That would actually never occur to me" then he's not that great a shooter.

Maybe Steve Kerr was a great outside shooter. But he was never more than the 8th best player on a team, it never really helped his team that much, and losing him would never have hurt his teams really at all. That's Bass. He's a great mid range shooter similarly to how Steve Kerr was a great outside shooter but Kerr was the best EVER.

Bass is Steve Kerr light. He's not the best ever and Kerr's shots were worth 50% more. After this year he won't be a Celt and the team will most likely be better for it. He does very little for us other than keep the seat warm while our young guys develop.

Bass is a spot up shooter of jump shots.  You don't really go into any games saying "lets get spot up shooter X" a ton of shots and base the offense around them.

Kerr was too and yes his were more valuable.  I'm really not sure what your point is though about him.  Kerr hit a lot of very important shots and was a really helpful player.  Just because he's the 8th best player... so?

You're a Celtic fan.  So key 8th men would be guys in the past like House or TA or PJ Brown maybe in our championship run depending on your rankings?  And we know all three of those players made very key plays to win it.

We had less depth after that I think and you could often tell.  It did matter.

There are teams out there right now and in the past that could desperately use a high caliber shooter and having one would make them contenders.  I think Memphis is a great example right now.  Ray Allen was that player for Miami.

[Eja117]

Bass is an excellent mid range shooter.  No context needed.

So here's my question about that. Let's say you're in a game.  You're the coach. Does it ever occur to you  "Bass is a great mid range shooter. I want to feed it to him. I want him to be the go to guy tonight?"

My theory is that if the answer is "No. That would actually never occur to me" then he's not that great a shooter.

Maybe Steve Kerr was a great outside shooter. But he was never more than the 8th best player on a team, it never really helped his team that much, and losing him would never have hurt his teams really at all. That's Bass. He's a great mid range shooter similarly to how Steve Kerr was a great outside shooter but Kerr was the best EVER.

Bass is Steve Kerr light. He's not the best ever and Kerr's shots were worth 50% more. After this year he won't be a Celt and the team will most likely be better for it. He does very little for us other than keep the seat warm while our young guys develop.

Bass is a spot up shooter of jump shots.  You don't really go into any games saying "lets get spot up shooter X" a ton of shots and base the offense around them.

Kerr was too and yes his were more valuable.  I'm really not sure what your point is though about him.  Kerr hit a lot of very important shots and was a really helpful player.  Just because he's the 8th best player... so?

You're a Celtic fan.  So key 8th men would be guys in the past like House or TA or PJ Brown maybe in our championship run depending on your rankings?  And we know all three of those players made very key plays to win it.

We had less depth after that I think and you could often tell.  It did matter.

Ainge wasn't constantly trying to trade those guys. Whereas Ainge may very well be constantly trying to trade Bass only no other team wants him. They weren't way overpaid. They were 8th men on a championship team, not one of the worst teams in the league.

[Snakehead]

Ainge wasn't constantly trying to trade those guys. Whereas Ainge may very well be constantly trying to trade Bass only no other team wants him. They weren't way overpaid. They were 8th men on a championship team, not one of the worst teams in the league.

This isn't even about Bass.  Just trying to explain how a spot up shooter can help.  They have been key players in many title runs in the past.  Saying they don't matter is crazy.  You said this about Kerr.

With Bass, yes he has uses but he needs more around him.  I actually think depending on your other players you could have Bass be your 8th best player and be great.  It would just depend on how he fit into that role.  A solid enough big who can shoot would be useful for a number of teams.  They probably aren't willing to trade much for him tho, hence the position we are in.

[fairweatherfan]

Good midrange shooters are almost never go-to guys in the modern NBA because midrange shots are almost never a go-to shot.  They're the shots you make to open things up for the shots you want to take.

[mgent]

There are a few reasons I don't buy it....I'll try to explain.

Context. It matters.

Maybe during the 80s Larry Bird shot only 41% from the three point line and maybe some other random guy shot 43% but Larry could do it with 4 of the other team's best defenders trying to stop him in front of the other team's bench, then turn to them and say "I'm gonna do exactly that in 3 minutes again" and then he'd do it. You would be sorely mistaken to think the other guy is actually the better shooter.

Also....ok...so he's good at that shot.....but you don't really want him taking it. He takes that shot after several other things have failed or after the game is out of hand or someone is hurt so some poor 19 year old is defending him. 

It's like saying "I just upgraded my free throw shooting on my fantasy team because I traded Durant for Steve Nash and that guy is a great free throw shooter".  Nope. It doesn't work that way. How many shots does each guy take?

It's a fine feature of a not great player

That comparison doesn't really work.  Nash doesn't shoot a lot of FTs, whereas Bass made over 100 shots from that range.  He made the 7th most among big men (15th overall) along with being the 1st in the efficiency (whereas Nash was probably like 200th in FTs when he was leading in percentage).  And excluding Dirk, those other 5 guys shot in the low 40s/mid 30s.

[BballTim]

Bass is an excellent mid range shooter.  No context needed.

So here's my question about that. Let's say you're in a game.  You're the coach. Does it ever occur to you  "Bass is a great mid range shooter. I want to feed it to him. I want him to be the go to guy tonight?"

My theory is that if the answer is "No. That would actually never occur to me" then he's not that great a shooter.

Maybe Steve Kerr was a great outside shooter. But he was never more than the 8th best player on a team, it never really helped his team that much, and losing him would never have hurt his teams really at all. That's Bass. He's a great mid range shooter similarly to how Steve Kerr was a great outside shooter but Kerr was the best EVER.

Bass is Steve Kerr light. He's not the best ever and Kerr's shots were worth 50% more. After this year he won't be a Celt and the team will most likely be better for it. He does very little for us other than keep the seat warm while our young guys develop.

  It looks like you're claiming that Bass can't be considered a great shooter because his coach doesn't make him the go-to scorer, but then you proclaim a player who was a significantly lighter scorer than Bass the best shooter ever. Whatever your point was you muddied it in this post.