Would you rather trade Sully or Oly?

[Celtics4ever]

Neither is great folks otherwise we would looking at Kevin Love in green.   Both are servicable.

[chambers]

In my opinion, Olynyk is the one to trade.

Olynyk is one year older.
Sullinger started 44 games to get his per 36 numbers, against NBA starting centers, playing out of position much of the time.
Olynyk started 7 games, beating up on a lot of 2nd unit guys- as a starter I don't think he's anywhere near Sullinger's numbers vs starting quality NBA players.

Sullinger is higher risk overall because of his injury concerns, but as a basketball player he's much more complete. I'm not sure what Olynyk's role will be in the NBA. He's like Kevin Love but he can't rebound...that to me screams of someone like Spencer Hawes- a soft big man with long range but not much else. In fact I don't think Olynyk's inside game is anywhere near the level of Spencer Hawes, he relies on the stretch dribble-drive game like Nowitizki rather than the stretch inside-out game of Spencer Hawes.

People forget that Sullinger hasn't played two full seasons in the NBA AND he's younger than Olynyk. He still hasn't had a full off season to recover from his surgery or work out/ concentrate on his body. We saw one pic of Sullinger less than 2 weeks after the season had finished, and all of a sudden he's the local donut boy to all us internet GM's.

 While they both have strong awareness on the court, to me, Sullinger's basketball instincts are better overall, and he's got an eye for the ball and an understanding of the game that not every player has. Olynyk is a smart kid, but his defensive confusion is almost embarrassing at times. That doesn't mean he won't work it out, but he's got such a long way to go that I don't see him being a two way player or a force inside against NBA starting units the way Sullinger is.

Sully needs to lose weight, and he needs to keep working on his jumpshot, but as he gets stronger, leaner and more experienced, he's got the potential to be an All Star on a David West/Carlos Boozer in Utah level.

I do like Olynyk and he's got potential, but I believe Sullinger is the better player.
I guess if we aren't keeping either for long, and we are getting Kevin Love, then we should ask ourselves:
 
After a Minnesota trade, which of Sully or Olynyk has more trade value around the NBA when we trade them to add more pieces to a Celtics tandem of Rondo and Love.

Perhaps Olynyk...

Personally I'd rather keep Sully. Just my opinion.
 

[DesertDweller]

Pretty sure we had this poll before, but curious the board consensus right now.  If you had to trade one of them in a package deal (for a center or a star)... would you rather trade Sully or trade Oly?

Kind of an unfair time to ask that question considering KO coming off a good game and on the other hand hearing all these negatives on Sully about weight and anger issues.

The truth is, we have a bunch of talented people on this team, with the exception of a few, that could be nucleus, with the addition of a rim protector, to be a contender.

[Celtics4ever]

People forget that Sullinger hasn't played two full seasons in the NBA AND he's younger than Olynyk. He still hasn't had a full off season to recover from his surgery or work out/ concentrate on his body. We saw one pic of Sullinger less than 2 weeks after the season had finished, and all of a sudden he's the local donut boy to all us internet GM's.

He weighs 280.  This is not WWE.  Right now his shape is pear.

[MVP]

At this point I would keep Olynyk over Sullinger. The main reason being is if either of them succeeds as a starting nba big on a good team, it's because they are a really good perimeter big on offense. Neither of them will be more then an average defender. Neither of them will be successful battling inside - Sullinger is too short and unathletic to have long term success inside.

As a perimeter big, Olynyk has a lot of more tools to become a really good one. He already shot 35% from the 3 pointer last year and can develop into a 37-38% 3 point shooting big on more attempts. He is a better passer then Sully. He is a better shooter off the dribble (ie. pump fake a 3 and take a midrange shot). Olynyk has above average handles for a big. The major aspect then Sullinger has over Olynyk is rebounding, but I wouldn't call Sullinger an elite rebounder.

Olynyk has a long way to go defensively and has to improve his rebounding. But if he makes some strides in these areas to be closer to average and is paired next to a big who is a good defender / rebounder, I think he has potential to be a good perimeter big in this league. Sullinger on the other hand is an interior big who can't fully use his strengths there in the NBA because he's too short and unathletic and has to develop perimeter skills to succeed. Him having a 50% TS% last year is evidence of his struggles to score inside and not being a good enough perimeter shooter.

[BballTim]

  It's hard to say based on last year, where Sully was coming back from back surgery and Oly put up most of his numbers when the competitive part of the season was over. Sully's got the back concerns but he probably has the ability to be the better player of the two.

[Csfan1984]

Chose to trade Sully but Sully is the better player right now. Sully will probably always be better. Sully is even younger than Olynyk. My big reason for the choice is I see Sully as a good PF and Olynyk as a decent C. We need a C more than a PF and when a center hustles + shows some skill they have to be kept when ever possible.

Other than the fact that Olynyk is not a center... yeah, the rest doesn't make much sense, either

Fact? I have a few facts Olynyk can't guard 60% of the starting PFs in the league just too slow. His biggest upside is at Center as a stretch 5. He is also 7' in shoes and supposedly weighs 250lbs now.

If he can't guard 60% of the PFs (are you sure it's not 65%? or perhaps 57%?), then he can't guard 100% of the centers. Neither of this is true, of course, but he's still not a center.

He may weigh as much as he wants -- he's not giving you rim protection (and there are multiple reasons for that, including wingspan, awareness, and ability to elevate). He's not a center. Period, the end.

Do we have to go through the list of players LOL. He can guard more Centers than Pfs and do a much better job on the tough covers. Centers are less athletic and slower than PFs but do have a weight advantage which is why Olynyk added some weight. He didn't add weight to guard PFs. And why does everyone think a Center has to be a "Rim Protector" that idea is a joke. Perk, Bosh and Duncan aren't shot blockers. A center only has to be a shot blocker if your team sucks at defense. AB, Smart, Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace all do a good job covering their man.

[snively]

Chose to trade Sully but Sully is the better player right now. Sully will probably always be better. Sully is even younger than Olynyk. My big reason for the choice is I see Sully as a good PF and Olynyk as a decent C. We need a C more than a PF and when a center hustles + shows some skill they have to be kept when ever possible.

Other than the fact that Olynyk is not a center... yeah, the rest doesn't make much sense, either

Fact? I have a few facts Olynyk can't guard 60% of the starting PFs in the league just too slow. His biggest upside is at Center as a stretch 5. He is also 7' in shoes and supposedly weighs 250lbs now.

If he can't guard 60% of the PFs (are you sure it's not 65%? or perhaps 57%?), then he can't guard 100% of the centers. Neither of this is true, of course, but he's still not a center.

He may weigh as much as he wants -- he's not giving you rim protection (and there are multiple reasons for that, including wingspan, awareness, and ability to elevate). He's not a center. Period, the end.

Since when has rim protection been the sole defining characteristic of a 5?  Is Niko Pekovic not a 5? Was Brad Miller not a 5?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Sully is the player to keep, an easy choice for me.

[Celtics4ever]

Since when has rim protection been the sole defining characteristic of a 5?  Is Niko Pekovic not a 5? Was Brad Miller not a 5?

Neither is a good 5.

[erisred]

It depends on who you are trading for.  I'd trade either, or both, in the right deal.  Preferably, I'd trade neither until the C's can trade high.

[SHAQATTACK]

Sully really needs to get it together as a professional. And take care of his body .

[LarBrd33]

Neither is great folks otherwise we would looking at Kevin Love in green.   Both are servicable.

Agreed.  Both are probably long-term backups.  Just interesting to see who people like more right now.  It appears the overwhelming majority would rather include Sully in a trade package.

[clover]

Sully is the player to keep, an easy choice for me.

Ha--I easily keep KO!

(And there is a big range between "serviceable" and Kevin Love's level.