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His slowness is a bit overstated as he kind of has the Paul Pierce sneaky agility in him. Along with his ball handling he's eerily unstoppable when he drives.

He also makes full use of his length all the time. He uses his length to do unfair things like passing over guys, at-rim finishing and even rebounding (like an anti-Jeff Green). He's long even for the NBA (I believe his wingspan is incredible too).

I'd be stoked if we get him at 17...or even if we trade up for him.

Yeah, he is a real gem. People focus too much on athleticism, these days. I think this guy has a great game. I see him being a Paul Pierce type player. That said, he turns the ball over a little too much, and hasn't shown any off-ball game yet. But those are things that he should learn easily if put in a good system with a good coach ... like, say, Brad Stevens. 

Also, this draft is crazy.

Yeah. I have never been so excited for a draft, to be honest. There is so much potential for weird stuff to go down. Honestly, these next 2-3 seasons in the NBA are going to be NUTS. Teams like the Heat and the Thunder trying to reload, teams like the Suns trying to put it together, teams like the Celtics trying to find the next star ... I am pumped. As long as the Lakers keep sucking and the Celtics get better, everything will be fine.

+1 to both you guys on Kyle Anderson as well as joepats fan and Northern Lightning who obviously see what Anderson can bring. I have been on the Anderson train for a long time.

He had been consistently underrated on many mocks from December until May, mainly in the very high teens to mid 20s because of his "lack of athleticism".

Check out the video in this article link of UCLA's semi-final Pac-12 demolishing of Stanford in the Pac 12 tourney:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yQCkYbe2KwM


It's the game highlights, but might as well be labeled "Kyle Anderson" highlights.

His anticipation, court awareness and vision are elite. His outlet passes are special as he already knows where the ball will be going downcourt, before he even comes down with the ball.

I posted this on March 27th:



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He is 6'8 1/2', has a 9 foot standing reach and a 7'3" wingspan. He played consistently all year with 13 double-doubles, one triple-double and many games with stats in not just points, assists and rebounds but also steals and blocks.

Anderson has improved his jumper tremendously this year hitting almost 50% from 3 and 2 land. He averaged 15,9 and 7 for the Bruins and had a great Pac-12 having big games against Stanford with a 13, 8, 7, 3, 1 stat line and Arizona 21, 15, and 5, often playing against Gordon.

This kid can ball. He has tremendous feel for the game and sees plays before they happen. His court vision and anticipation are elite and he is a good ball handler and excellent passer.

Slo-Mo is used disparagingly by some people to knock his athleticism. Slo-Mo really explains how he slows the game down in his mind.

His versatility makes him a steal in the 20s and a great pick in the low teens. This guy has been underrated, not overrated.




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He had a tough game against the smothering Gator D, where they had two and sometimes three guys in his area. That's respect.




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Anderson still managed 11/9/5/2 even with all that attention.

How valuable he is really showed when UCLA stagnated when he was on the bench with those fouls, especially for that critical stretch in the second half that decided the game.

That second foul they called on him in the lane, early in the game had about a full 3-4 second delay. Talk about a late call, early in the game impacting the result of the game.
Too bad, was rooting for him.

Maybe it's better they didn't advance. Less spotlight on him so maybe the GMs who are discounting him for his lack of athleticism will keep sleeping on him.




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[Beat LA]

Marcus Smart is nothing special?  Okay, well, anyway, at #17 I'd think that the best players that are going to be available would be TJ Warren and James Young, which would be a tough call for me because I like them both for different reasons.  It'll be interesting to see where Payton goes - he could turn out to be one of the biggest steals of this class.  I don't think anyone has Zach Levine in their top 10, however.

Name me one thing, outside of intensity, that Marcus smart is realllllllly good at.. He's solid in all phases of the game with little weaknesses but isn't a knock down shooter, not a lock down defender, can be a better passer/smarter player... He's nothing special to hop into the Top 3...

Also I know I'm higher than most on Lavine.. Most places have him anywhere from 14-26, but I don't know, I like what he brings and think he could be picked earlier than expected..

Warren and Young would be a tough call but I would take Young mainly because he can stretch the floor more hitting 3's. He isn't as fluid a scorer as Warren but still a very good one.

Listen, you obviously know a lot more about Smart than I do.  I never thought he was a top 3 pick, but I did think he'd be in the top 5 based on his ability and potential, coupled with the fact that Orlando obviously likes him, and they need a point guard.  I thought he was a lock down defender, but I didn't really watch any college basketball this year until the tournament, which is why Young intrigues me.  The guy played big in the big moments of the biggest games, and I tend to think that such ability translates to the next level, in that he won't be afraid of the moment.  It's hard to find guys like that.

Also, for everyone that has seen Anderson play, answer me this - how is his lateral quickness, because he looks like he's running in mud or something out there.  Combine numbers aside, that has to concern you about his ability to defend.  A lot of people tend to think that non-athletic guys can be Paul Pierce, and I think that that is both ridiculous and a little insulting towards The Truth.  Paul was a good athlete with an excellent first step.  No, he wasn't Kobe or Vince, but his quickness, combined with his strength, at the minimum, allowed him to be able to stay in front of guys like Lebron, Melo, Kobe, Vince, Durant, McGrady, Granger, Rudy Gay, Caron Butler, and Joe Johnson, to name a few.  Can Kyle Anderson do that?  I just think we should be a little more careful when making such comparisons.  Is that fair?

[joepatsfan]

Marcus Smart is nothing special?  Okay, well, anyway, at #17 I'd think that the best players that are going to be available would be TJ Warren and James Young, which would be a tough call for me because I like them both for different reasons.  It'll be interesting to see where Payton goes - he could turn out to be one of the biggest steals of this class.  I don't think anyone has Zach Levine in their top 10, however.

Name me one thing, outside of intensity, that Marcus smart is realllllllly good at.. He's solid in all phases of the game with little weaknesses but isn't a knock down shooter, not a lock down defender, can be a better passer/smarter player... He's nothing special to hop into the Top 3...

Also I know I'm higher than most on Lavine.. Most places have him anywhere from 14-26, but I don't know, I like what he brings and think he could be picked earlier than expected..

Warren and Young would be a tough call but I would take Young mainly because he can stretch the floor more hitting 3's. He isn't as fluid a scorer as Warren but still a very good one.

Listen, you obviously know a lot more about Smart than I do.  I never thought he was a top 3 pick, but I did think he'd be in the top 5 based on his ability and potential, coupled with the fact that Orlando obviously likes him, and they need a point guard.  I thought he was a lock down defender, but I didn't really watch any college basketball this year until the tournament, which is why Young intrigues me.  The guy played big in the big moments of the biggest games, and I tend to think that such ability translates to the next level, in that he won't be afraid of the moment.  It's hard to find guys like that.

Also, for everyone that has seen Anderson play, answer me this - how is his lateral quickness, because he looks like he's running in mud or something out there.  Combine numbers aside, that has to concern you about his ability to defend.  A lot of people tend to think that non-athletic guys can be Paul Pierce, and I think that that is both ridiculous and a little insulting towards The Truth.  Paul was a good athlete with an excellent first step.  No, he wasn't Kobe or Vince, but his quickness, combined with his strength, at the minimum, allowed him to be able to stay in front of guys like Lebron, Melo, Kobe, Vince, Durant, McGrady, Granger, Rudy Gay, Caron Butler, and Joe Johnson, to name a few.  Can Kyle Anderson do that?  I just think we should be a little more careful when making such comparisons.  Is that fair?

Don't get me wrong I never said Smart wasn't a fantasic player, which is why I still rated him high, but he doesn't have just one trait that pops out at you.. I wouldn't mind seeing him picked by us if Rondo is traded. I actually love Smart's play. He puts it all out there and steps up when the game is on the line but the truth is he's a solid player who's above average at everything but not elite at anything.

Its also fair that we should all watch our comparisons  but around draft time this is what happens lol.

But defensively it helps to be an athlete to be good at it, but if you use the proper footwork and proper technique even if you aren't as athletically gifted you can be a solid defender. Anderson also has very good size and length which at times can make up for lack of athleticism if you put yourself in the right position to make plays. So i'm not worried about Anderson's ability to defend if he can play smart and fundamental