Jared Sullingers trade value

[fantankerous]

I think we are underrating how few players put up double double numbers on average, and Sully seems destined to be one.

That, in itself, is not particularly important. It's not what makes a good team.

  I think you'd be hard pressed to make a case that having a player average a double double somehow prevents you from having a good team.

Reading comprehension is a skill you should work on.

[Snakehead]

Good teams don't rebound? 

That has nothing to do with double-doubles. Good teams do rebound, and that's a team effort where all 5 guys have to contribute.

As a matter of fact, my impression is that the stats of most guys that average double-doubles are at least to an extent padded by them being by horrible rebounders.

Do you watch Sullinger and not think he's a good rebounder?

Someone has to grab the ball.  I'm not a stats are everything guy but I also watch games and have common sense.  I have grains of salt.

[BballTim]

I think we are underrating how few players put up double double numbers on average, and Sully seems destined to be one.

That, in itself, is not particularly important. It's not what makes a good team.

  I think you'd be hard pressed to make a case that having a player average a double double somehow prevents you from having a good team.

Reading comprehension is a skill you should work on.

  It's like the pot calling the snow black.

[kozlodoev]

Good teams don't rebound? 

That has nothing to do with double-doubles. Good teams do rebound, and that's a team effort where all 5 guys have to contribute.

As a matter of fact, my impression is that the stats of most guys that average double-doubles are at least to an extent padded by them being by horrible rebounders.

Do you watch Sullinger and not think he's a good rebounder?

Someone has to grab the ball.  I'm not a stats are everything guy but I also watch games and have common sense.  I have grains of salt.

He's decent. The point when you're paired in the front court with Brandon Bass and Jeff Green, you'll grab a lot of rebounds, so I wouldn't get overexcited about the box score.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Sully + #17= ?

Thats more sensible for the 8th pick

[Chris22]

True.

[Snakehead]

Good teams don't rebound? 

That has nothing to do with double-doubles. Good teams do rebound, and that's a team effort where all 5 guys have to contribute.

As a matter of fact, my impression is that the stats of most guys that average double-doubles are at least to an extent padded by them being by horrible rebounders.

Do you watch Sullinger and not think he's a good rebounder?

Someone has to grab the ball.  I'm not a stats are everything guy but I also watch games and have common sense.  I have grains of salt.

He's decent. The point when you're paired in the front court with Brandon Bass and Jeff Green, you'll grab a lot of rebounds, so I wouldn't get overexcited about the box score.

The other team isn't very eager to allow you to gather rebounds to pad your stats if everyone else besides Sully on the floor sucks.  He still has to grab the board vs opposition.   Often times vs Centers this last season.  I think he's a good rebounder, for sure.

[BballTim]

Good teams don't rebound? 

That has nothing to do with double-doubles. Good teams do rebound, and that's a team effort where all 5 guys have to contribute.

As a matter of fact, my impression is that the stats of most guys that average double-doubles are at least to an extent padded by them being surrounded by horrible rebounders.

  I doubt that's really the case at all. If you look at the guys in the league that get 10+ rebounds a game you'll find that more of them are paired with good rebounders than horrible ones. You'll also find that 7 of the top 9 rebounding teams had rebounders that averaged 10+ boards a game while none of the bottom 10 rebounding teams did.

[JBcat]

Of all the power forwards mentioned in the 5 to 15 range I'm not sure any of them are a clear better prospect than Sully.   For that reason Sully could be close as having value of a Randle, Vonleh, or Gordon pick.  Just my opinion.

[tstorey_97]

Jared Sullinger had a host of excuses this year. Rookie players get mulligans, but, eventually, those too, fall away and you see what you have.

He cannot jump. This is an issue in the NBA, thus, no mulligan here.

He, as of yet, cannot hit a three. I have no clue why our management had him chucking threes...except as an aid to improved draft position.

Against taller PF's he has to adjust and, lack of hops puts him into borderline mismatch territory.

He can "dog." I'm sure he'll grow out of this, but, players that are better than Jared Sullinger, do not dog it during games. Garnett was not kicking ass and taking names on last season's team and it showed with Sullinger sometimes...not all the time...Sully's Dad can only do so much.

On an upper seed playoff team he is the first big off the bench. Glenn Davis is not a better player than Jared Sullinger....he isn't a worse player either.

A player of this type has good trade value, especially a young version like Sully. He has legit upside that would be reflected in a deal.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Of all the power forwards mentioned in the 5 to 15 range I'm not sure any of them are a clear better prospect than Sully.   For that reason Sully could be close as having value of a Randle, Vonleh, or Gordon pick.  Just my opinion.

I would say that their ceilings may be higher but at least we know what Sully can do. And he did it coming off surgery, no camp, out of position.

[Boris Badenov]

Sully's just a tough guy to evaluate at this stage. He's had great success for his age - as others have said, his PTS/REB productivity puts him on a short list for players 22 and under over the last 30 years.

http://bkref.com/tiny/OYqlB

On the other hand...some have lingering concerns about his health and conditioning.

His shooting percentages are very low for a PF...a low as anyone on that same list above.

On the other hand, Stevens clearly viewed this year as developmental, and it's entirely possible Sully will either improve his shooting or change his shot mix to bring those numbers up.

My opinion: I don't think there's a huge trade market for Sully right now. I don't think he's established enough to be a guy a contender gives up real assets to acquire. And any rebuilding team might just prefer to use a draft pick on someone with equivalent potential...and who isn't halfway through his rookie contract.

Suppose someone trades for him and he blows up over the next two years...he will either leave or demand a big raise. I think that depresses Sully's value.

[Alleyoopster]

Not to take away from the OP question, I recently had a post titled "Why won't Olynyk or Sullinger be traded for picks?"  I had some great responses explaining why recent picks aren't traded for current picks.  I came away with the opinion that one can't just compare two players' abilities to determine their value.  One also has to look at contract costs, collective bargaining, and a host of other variables.  That's the reason these recent picks seldom, if ever, get traded if they are any good. 

[More Banners]

As much as I like Sully and am high on his upside...

Humphries was clearly the better player this year, and I'm not sure Sully will develop into any better of a player.

Antoine 2.0.  He's a backup on a winner.

And I'm having trouble accepting that, too.

[Snakehead]

Not to take away from the OP question, I recently had a post titled "Why won't Olynyk or Sullinger be traded for picks?"  I had some great responses explaining why recent picks aren't traded for current picks.  I came away with the opinion that one can't just compare two players' abilities to determine their value.  One also has to look at contract costs, collective bargaining, and a host of other variables.  That's the reason these recent picks seldom, if ever, get traded if they are any good.

Also, takes time.  Players often show themselves as special a couple years in or so.  Kawhi is a good example right now.  Paul George took some time to where now he's certainly a top 10 player.

There are a lot of All Stars that took a couple seasons.  We are spoiled by players like LeBron.

If Sullinger or Olynyk suddenly worked on and fixed some of their flaws, I think both could possibly get to an All Star level.  Not saying it's likely but you don't know.  Right now I think both are good players and smart players anyways.  If Sully improved his shooting and got in shape, if Olynyk became stronger and quicker, I think they could be great players.  We will have to see.  You don't see by trading them for uncertain things in the draft.

This draft does seem to be a strong one but it's strong for a draft.  We have seen Sullinger and Olynyk in the NBA and both are pretty good with potential to grow already playing NBA basketball.