Where were they when the Sterling stuff exploded?

[Eja117]

One thing starting to annoy me is this whole...."they shoulda known" stuff. "Everyone knew he had problems".

Well it's not cool if everybody knows he's having these problems and nobody does anything about it until he personally offends you.

Either stand for what you believe in or don't. If you believe in justice then do something about absentee NBA fathers and NBA players/coaches/etc that beat their wives/girlfriends etc. But that will never happen.

They'll wait till something happens again and then all collectively say "Heee saiiidd whaaattt?" 

[D.o.s.]

Character judgement can be a hard thing to navigate when it comes to things like this, though.

Not to foray back into politics, but many of the Founding Fathers did things that, ethically, would paint them into a pretty awful position by our standards. Do we factor that in to how we feel about, say, their crafting of The Constitution?

One thing starting to annoy me is this whole...."they shoulda known" stuff. "Everyone knew he had problems".

Well it's not cool if everybody knows he's having these problems and nobody does anything about it until he personally offends you.

Either stand for what you believe in or don't. If you believe in justice then do something about absentee NBA fathers and NBA players/coaches/etc that beat their wives/girlfriends etc. But that will never happen.

They'll wait till something happens again and then all collectively say "Heee saiiidd whaaattt?" 

Wow, a false equivocation and the utterly confusing "it's not good that Sterling's gone because we should have done something earlier and people are so lame for not doing something earlier" stance.

As far as things like Sterling's removal from the league, I don't see the problem with "better late than never".

[Fafnir]

As far as things like Sterling's removal from the league, I don't see the problem with "better late than never".

Yeah I hate the argument that because they mostly boil down to, since you can't catch everyone or solve everything punishing one is "wrong" or "pointless".

You can believe in justice without boycotting the NBA because some domestic abusers (alledged at least probably convicted ones too) play in the league.

[esel1000]

Character judgement can be a hard thing to navigate when it comes to things like this, though.

Not to foray back into politics, but many of the Founding Fathers did things that, ethically, would paint them into a pretty awful position by our standards. Do we factor that in to how we feel about, say, their crafting of The Constitution?

One thing starting to annoy me is this whole...."they shoulda known" stuff. "Everyone knew he had problems".

Well it's not cool if everybody knows he's having these problems and nobody does anything about it until he personally offends you.

Either stand for what you believe in or don't. If you believe in justice then do something about absentee NBA fathers and NBA players/coaches/etc that beat their wives/girlfriends etc. But that will never happen.

They'll wait till something happens again and then all collectively say "Heee saiiidd whaaattt?" 

Wow, a false equivocation and the utterly confusing "it's not good that Sterling's gone because we should have done something earlier and people are so lame for not doing something earlier" stance.

As far as things like Sterling's removal from the league, I don't see the problem with "better late than never".

Very fair point on the Founding Fathers, though I will argue that much of their character was based on the culture of the time period. Though owning slaves is immoral, at that time it was normal for wealthy landowners in the South to own slaves (as was for close to the first century of this country's birth). Jefferson released his slaves upon his death as he felt it was wrong to have them (though hypocritical on his part). I'm not saying owning slaves was the right thing to do, far from it, but we can make those connections and even see some remorse in our Founders.

However, as can be seen from the public outrage, Sterling's comments have no place in this culture. He can claim all he wants that he was a product of his environment but the fact remains that he also lived through Civil Rights and a changing tide. He's just an awful person. V. Stiviano isn't as bad obviously but it's hard to view her as a hero, or someone that should be remembered as so as our Founding Fathers were despite their morals. She's a con and a gold digger. She's not exactly a good person.

It's just a sad situation truthfully, and a sad truth that racism still exists and can rear its ugly head even at such a high corporate level.

[Donoghus]

Sterling's a scumbag, Stiviano's a scumbag.

There really was no winners in this thing.  Except for the lawyers. 

I also don't see why the heck Russell or Bird need to come out and say anything.  They're not exactly relevant to it. 

[D.o.s.]

Character judgement can be a hard thing to navigate when it comes to things like this, though.

Not to foray back into politics, but many of the Founding Fathers did things that, ethically, would paint them into a pretty awful position by our standards. Do we factor that in to how we feel about, say, their crafting of The Constitution?

One thing starting to annoy me is this whole...."they shoulda known" stuff. "Everyone knew he had problems".

Well it's not cool if everybody knows he's having these problems and nobody does anything about it until he personally offends you.

Either stand for what you believe in or don't. If you believe in justice then do something about absentee NBA fathers and NBA players/coaches/etc that beat their wives/girlfriends etc. But that will never happen.

They'll wait till something happens again and then all collectively say "Heee saiiidd whaaattt?" 

Wow, a false equivocation and the utterly confusing "it's not good that Sterling's gone because we should have done something earlier and people are so lame for not doing something earlier" stance.

As far as things like Sterling's removal from the league, I don't see the problem with "better late than never".

Very fair point on the Founding Fathers, though I will argue that much of their character was based on the culture of the time period. Though owning slaves is immoral, at that time it was normal for wealthy landowners in the South to own slaves (as was for close to the first century of this country's birth). Jefferson released his slaves upon his death as he felt it was wrong to have them (though hypocritical on his part). I'm not saying owning slaves was the right thing to do, far from it, but we can make those connections and even see some remorse in our Founders.

However, as can be seen from the public outrage, Sterling's comments have no place in this culture. He can claim all he wants that he was a product of his environment but the fact remains that he also lived through Civil Rights and a changing tide. He's just an awful person. V. Stiviano isn't as bad obviously but it's hard to view her as a hero, or someone that should be remembered as so as our Founding Fathers were despite their morals. She's a con and a gold digger. She's not exactly a good person.

It's just a sad situation truthfully, and a sad truth that racism still exists and can rear its ugly head even at such a high corporate level.

Agreed. Although I think I'd also add that the most insulated positions of authority are often the most resistant to changing societal cues.

[Eja117]

Character judgement can be a hard thing to navigate when it comes to things like this, though.

Not to foray back into politics, but many of the Founding Fathers did things that, ethically, would paint them into a pretty awful position by our standards. Do we factor that in to how we feel about, say, their crafting of The Constitution?

One thing starting to annoy me is this whole...."they shoulda known" stuff. "Everyone knew he had problems".

Well it's not cool if everybody knows he's having these problems and nobody does anything about it until he personally offends you.

Either stand for what you believe in or don't. If you believe in justice then do something about absentee NBA fathers and NBA players/coaches/etc that beat their wives/girlfriends etc. But that will never happen.

They'll wait till something happens again and then all collectively say "Heee saiiidd whaaattt?" 

Wow, a false equivocation and the utterly confusing "it's not good that Sterling's gone because we should have done something earlier and people are so lame for not doing something earlier" stance.

As far as things like Sterling's removal from the league, I don't see the problem with "better late than never".

First of all even though it's a totally different topic, the answer is "Yes. What the Founding Fathers believed in and did should certainly affect how we see the Constitution".

Second I don't see where anyone has said that it's not good that Sterling gets kicked out of the league.

What I know I said up above is "It's not cool for everyone to know he's having these (racist) problems and nobody does anything about it till he personally offends you" and "Either stand for what you believe in or don't", which is extremely different from "It's not good they are kicking him out".