Jordan Hill

[Kc2135]

Anyone think we could make a run at him in free agency? When he gets playing time he is pretty solid, and if we don't get  Embiid then I wouldn't mind him next to Sully. He rebounds, contests shots, and can score a little, but doesn't need the ball. Thoughts?

[Who]

I liked him his first couple of years in the league but he hasn't progressed well.

Is still a very limited offensive player. Strictly a garbage man. No jump-shot. Non-passer. Doesn't create his own offense. Defensively, he doesn't have the size to play big minutes as a center and he doesn't have the understanding of how to defend PFs who are more skilled away from the basket. Only above average skill right now is his rebounding ability. Due to his offensive limitations and lack of defensive range, he is a bit of tweener (C/PF) who has limited value.

I think Jordan Hill is a good third string PF/C. Or an adequate albeit below average 4th big in the depth chart. Ideally a third string. His lack of development has been really frustrating. Wasting his career. Needs to learn how to better defend skilled bigs and needs to add a jump-shot on offense.

[Mr October]

Yup. A backup 5/4. He does OK in that role as a garbage man, and rebounder.

I think the Celtics need to get someone to play center though. If the draft or a trade doesn't work out, I am OK signing a guy like Hill for short money to fill the spot for a year or 2.

Having said that, if the money is short, he will probably just stay in LA.

Chris Kaman is another guy i would look at on a 1-2 year deal. Neither player is the answer, but they could help push Sully over to the PF position, and not impact the cap down the road.

[Who]

Chris Kaman is another guy i would look at on a 1-2 year deal. Neither player is the answer, but they could help push Sully over to the PF position, and not impact the cap down the road.

I think Chris Kaman has reached a point where you just don't want him on your team anymore unless the situation is absolutely perfect for him.

His defense is just so bad nowadays. His man-to-man defense is lousy. His team defense is slow and ineffective. Kaman is still a solid offensive player but his defense is so bad that I think he is a net negative despite that. Unless you have a great defense in place, to hide Kaman, which Boston currently doesn't, I think you pass on Kaman.

I think Boston is just as well off playing Faverani as starting C alongside Sully as Kaman.

[PhoSita]

Jordan Hill is a lesser version of Humphries, but he'll probably cost roughly the same.

Don't see a role for him here.

[PhoSita]

I think Chris Kaman has reached a point where you just don't want him on your team anymore unless the situation is absolutely perfect for him.

His defense is just so bad nowadays. His man-to-man defense is lousy. His team defense is slow and ineffective. Kaman is still a solid offensive player but his defense is so bad that I think he is a net negative despite that. Unless you have a great defense in place, to hide Kaman, which Boston currently doesn't, I think you pass on Kaman.

Kaman should go to a team like Chicago, Indiana, or OKC, and come off the bench.

[pearljammer10]

I think Chris Kaman has reached a point where you just don't want him on your team anymore unless the situation is absolutely perfect for him.

His defense is just so bad nowadays. His man-to-man defense is lousy. His team defense is slow and ineffective. Kaman is still a solid offensive player but his defense is so bad that I think he is a net negative despite that. Unless you have a great defense in place, to hide Kaman, which Boston currently doesn't, I think you pass on Kaman.

Kaman should go to a team like Chicago, Indiana, or OKC, and come off the bench.

I've always liked Kaman but I dont think he gives us anything better than Olynyk at this point in his career. Kaman is not a good defensive center at all, and if we are going to dish out some cash for an upgrade at the position that's what we should be looking for. Much rather have KO getting minutes and improving then Kaman playing at a similar level making more money while on the decline.

[Mr October]

Chris Kaman is another guy i would look at on a 1-2 year deal. Neither player is the answer, but they could help push Sully over to the PF position, and not impact the cap down the road.

I think Chris Kaman has reached a point where you just don't want him on your team anymore unless the situation is absolutely perfect for him.

His defense is just so bad nowadays. His man-to-man defense is lousy. His team defense is slow and ineffective. Kaman is still a solid offensive player but his defense is so bad that I think he is a net negative despite that. Unless you have a great defense in place, to hide Kaman, which Boston currently doesn't, I think you pass on Kaman.

I think Boston is just as well off playing Faverani as starting C alongside Sully as Kaman.

I hope Faverani returns to the team ready to earn his minutes. That would be great. He is cheap and has upside.

But i worry that playing Sullinger at center for a 3rd year in a row is going to stunt his development, or at least hinder Ainge's ability to evaluate Sully as a power forward of the future who will need to be paid big bucks.

Can Sully remotely move quickly enough to guard power forwards? Can he take the weight off and keep it off?

As for Kaman, or someone similar, i would only be talking about a 1 year deal for 3 million or something like that.

[PhoSita]

Chris Kaman is another guy i would look at on a 1-2 year deal. Neither player is the answer, but they could help push Sully over to the PF position, and not impact the cap down the road.

I think Chris Kaman has reached a point where you just don't want him on your team anymore unless the situation is absolutely perfect for him.

His defense is just so bad nowadays. His man-to-man defense is lousy. His team defense is slow and ineffective. Kaman is still a solid offensive player but his defense is so bad that I think he is a net negative despite that. Unless you have a great defense in place, to hide Kaman, which Boston currently doesn't, I think you pass on Kaman.

I think Boston is just as well off playing Faverani as starting C alongside Sully as Kaman.

I hope Faverani returns to the team ready to earn his minutes. That would be great. He is cheap and has upside.

But i worry that playing Sullinger at center for a 3rd year in a row is going to stunt his development, or at least hinder Ainge's ability to evaluate Sully as a power forward of the future who will need to be paid big bucks.

Can Sully remotely move quickly enough to guard power forwards? Can he take the weight off and keep it off?

As for Kaman, or someone similar, i would only be talking about a 1 year deal for 3 million or something like that.

I'd be surprised if Danny doesn't make a move for at least a stop-gap solution at center this summer, for a number of reasons -- including the fact that Sullinger and Olynyk are best playing at the 4 spot.

I think the focus will be on getting a more defensive type, however.  Asik or Sanders are the "A-List" targets, with names like Mozgov, Okafor, Lavoy Allen, and Udoh being some secondary options.

[Mr October]

Chris Kaman is another guy i would look at on a 1-2 year deal. Neither player is the answer, but they could help push Sully over to the PF position, and not impact the cap down the road.

I think Chris Kaman has reached a point where you just don't want him on your team anymore unless the situation is absolutely perfect for him.

His defense is just so bad nowadays. His man-to-man defense is lousy. His team defense is slow and ineffective. Kaman is still a solid offensive player but his defense is so bad that I think he is a net negative despite that. Unless you have a great defense in place, to hide Kaman, which Boston currently doesn't, I think you pass on Kaman.

I think Boston is just as well off playing Faverani as starting C alongside Sully as Kaman.

I hope Faverani returns to the team ready to earn his minutes. That would be great. He is cheap and has upside.

But i worry that playing Sullinger at center for a 3rd year in a row is going to stunt his development, or at least hinder Ainge's ability to evaluate Sully as a power forward of the future who will need to be paid big bucks.

Can Sully remotely move quickly enough to guard power forwards? Can he take the weight off and keep it off?

As for Kaman, or someone similar, i would only be talking about a 1 year deal for 3 million or something like that.

I'd be surprised if Danny doesn't make a move for at least a stop-gap solution at center this summer, for a number of reasons -- including the fact that Sullinger and Olynyk are best playing at the 4 spot.

I think the focus will be on getting a more defensive type, however.  Asik or Sanders are the "A-List" targets, with names like Mozgov, Okafor, Lavoy Allen, and Udoh being some secondary options.

Yeah, you have to swing for the fences first, and try to at least get a double in the draft, trade or free agency. I just dont want to lock up too much money for too many years for the secondary options listed.

I am hoping somehow, someway, Ainge can make a move in a couple years for Noah, M Gasol, Cousins, etc.

It all starts on draft night. ....which feels so far away.

[Who]

I think the focus will be on getting a more defensive type, however.  Asik or Sanders are the "A-List" targets, with names like Mozgov, Okafor, Lavoy Allen, and Udoh being some secondary options.

I wouldn't consider Lavoy Allen or Ekpe Udoh options as centers. Both guys are backup PFs. Neither has the physical size / athleticism to compete (defensively) against starting caliber centers. Both guys are defensive liabilities in that role. A lot like Jordan Hill, they can be used as makeshift backup Cs in low minutes if truly desperate but none of the three are (adequate) options as a starting center. I'd be really disappointed if Boston ended up in a situation like that again next season (too similar to this season with Sully/Hump/Olynyk as starting C).

I would really like to have a guy like Mozgov or an Okafor as a temporary fill-in at center next season. A great low-cost option.

If someone like that is unavailable, I would most like to see CBS start a (whoever) 15mpg third string center with genuine physical size and then use backup PF types (with higher offensive skill-level and/or superior general utility) the rest of the way. I think having that physical presence is so important to start games.

I'd also love to make a run at someone like Ezeli. I'd consider giving up that 2nd first round pick for him if it ends up outside the lottery. I think he'd be a good starting C for Boston.

[Surferdad]

Would rather use Favs or Iverson for stopgap measure.

[Kc2135]

I liked him his first couple of years in the league but he hasn't progressed well.

Is still a very limited offensive player. Strictly a garbage man. No jump-shot. Non-passer. Doesn't create his own offense. Defensively, he doesn't have the size to play big minutes as a center and he doesn't have the understanding of how to defend PFs who are more skilled away from the basket. Only above average skill right now is his rebounding ability. Due to his offensive limitations and lack of defensive range, he is a bit of tweener (C/PF) who has limited value.

I think Jordan Hill is a good third string PF/C. Or an adequate albeit below average 4th big in the depth chart. Ideally a third string. His lack of development has been really frustrating. Wasting his career. Needs to learn how to better defend skilled bigs and needs to add a jump-shot on offense.

I actually think he is much improved this year. He is averaging 8.5 ppg, 7 rpg, and .8 blocks in 19 minutes. His Per 36 is  15 ppg, 13 rpg, 1.5 blocks, and he is shooting 55% from the floor this season. That would dang near be an all star center in the league these days, and I think he could be had at the right price. I would rather have Embiid, but I would want Hill over Asik.

[Tr1boy]

incredible physical tools, but doesn't bring his A game on a consistent basis. 
Kind of like a Brandan Wright. I wouldn't bring him in

[SHAQATTACK]

Would rather use Favs or Iverson for stopgap measure.

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