What Owners and GM's Are Out There to be Picked On?

[Nerf DPOY]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

[LooseCannon]

The Cavs seem like a team desperate to make the playoffs and willing to overpay for a "name" player who gives the illusion of improving the team.  Cleveland would probably prefer a faded former All-Star even if a guy like Bass or Green would do them more good.  Unfortunately, the only big name the Celtics have is returning from injury while playing the same position as Kyrie Irving.

[Boris Badenov]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

I'm with you on the Kings. I think they have pressure to win now and have been burned in the draft recently. They might be willing to move a top 3-5 pick for Rondo, and maybe our pick. If they are really nuts they'd do it for a lesser player or players (Bradley, Green and/or Sully) and our pick.

Cleveland seems in similar desperate straits. I think they feel pressure to surround Irving with quality vets rather than more unproven potential busts. They could move their pick, I think.

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

[LooseCannon]

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

They just need to find a third team to be a relative sucker.  I'm thinking a three-way with Chicago.  Asik to Boston, Dunleavy/Bass/Heinrich to Houston, Brooks/Montiejunas (if Chicago wants them) and picks (a first from the Celtics, a second or two from Houston) to Chicago.  Chicago is motivated by possibly getting all the way out of the luxury tax.

[Nerf DPOY]

Agreed Cleveland wants to win now they wouldn't have any interest in Rondo or Green.

It's been covered in other threads, but Charlotte may be willing to overpay for Green. They seem to be trying to win now, and they've made some impulsive moves in the past.

Phoenix has picks to part with and no real long term solution at SF, but I'm not sure they're one to be taken advantage of lately.

[jambr380]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

I'm with you on the Kings. I think they have pressure to win now and have been burned in the draft recently. They might be willing to move a top 3-5 pick for Rondo, and maybe our pick. If they are really nuts they'd do it for a lesser player or players (Bradley, Green and/or Sully) and our pick.

Cleveland seems in similar desperate straits. I think they feel pressure to surround Irving with quality vets rather than more unproven potential busts. They could move their pick, I think.

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

I think a deal with Sac could happen after the draft lottery. If they are willing to give up a top 3 pick and Thomas for Rondo and the Atl/NJ pick, I think Ainge will have difficult time saying no.

Many will say that Sac is overpaying, but getting a definite all-star in his prime for a pick you hope is one day as successful as Rondo makes sense for a franchise that wants to win now.

[obnoxiousmime]

I was thinking about this earlier and the problem is a lot of the desperate teams (New York, Brooklyn, Cleveland) have near-empty cupboards after being ripped off by smarter teams the past couple years.

With so many teams tanking it becomes a buyer's market and that hurts the C's too.

Rondo - The obvious choice here is Sacramento. Though they have Isiaah Thomas, Rondo would create a splash which is what the new owners crave. Thornton + Thomas + Lottery protected 2014 1st (or right to swap Atlanta/Brooklyn's pick).

Green - How about Minnesota? Green is an upgrade over Brewer/Budinger and they desperately need shooting + wins to convince Love to stay. Budinger/Brewer + Cunningham + 2014 1st for Green.

Bass - This is tough because Houston doesn't seem to be interested. How about Miami? They can acquire some PF depth who has some offensive game and can keep up with Miami's speedy defensive style. Anthony + Lewis + Jones + 2014 first.

Crawford/Bradley - Tough to say because they are RFAs this offseason.

Celtics' pick - They are not dealing their pick.

Wallace - Wallace/Humphries to NYC for Stoudemire.

[Mazingerz]

Agreed Cleveland wants to win now they wouldn't have any interest in Rondo or Green.

It's been covered in other threads, but Charlotte may be willing to overpay for Green. They seem to be trying to win now, and they've made some impulsive moves in the past.

Phoenix has picks to part with and no real long term solution at SF, but I'm not sure they're one to be taken advantage of lately.

Phoenix has a great GM who learned from the school of Ainge. I doubt Ryan M. will bite with what Ainge has to offer, unless its for old time sake/future favors;

[Boris Badenov]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

I'm with you on the Kings. I think they have pressure to win now and have been burned in the draft recently. They might be willing to move a top 3-5 pick for Rondo, and maybe our pick. If they are really nuts they'd do it for a lesser player or players (Bradley, Green and/or Sully) and our pick.

Cleveland seems in similar desperate straits. I think they feel pressure to surround Irving with quality vets rather than more unproven potential busts. They could move their pick, I think.

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

I think a deal with Sac could happen after the draft lottery. If they are willing to give up a top 3 pick and Thomas for Rondo and the Atl/NJ pick, I think Ainge will have difficult time saying no.

Many will say that Sac is overpaying, but getting a definite all-star in his prime for a pick you hope is one day as successful as Rondo makes sense for a franchise that wants to win now.

That's the timing that makes sense to me too. I could see Kings ownership valuing Rondo highly because he could be a leader/mentor for Cousins, who's playing like a #1 numbers-wise but still might need a veteran leader around to help him mature mentally.

[BleedGreen1989]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

I'm with you on the Kings. I think they have pressure to win now and have been burned in the draft recently. They might be willing to move a top 3-5 pick for Rondo, and maybe our pick. If they are really nuts they'd do it for a lesser player or players (Bradley, Green and/or Sully) and our pick.

Cleveland seems in similar desperate straits. I think they feel pressure to surround Irving with quality vets rather than more unproven potential busts. They could move their pick, I think.

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

I think a deal with Sac could happen after the draft lottery. If they are willing to give up a top 3 pick and Thomas for Rondo and the Atl/NJ pick, I think Ainge will have difficult time saying no.

Many will say that Sac is overpaying, but getting a definite all-star in his prime for a pick you hope is one day as successful as Rondo makes sense for a franchise that wants to win now.

That's the timing that makes sense to me too. I could see Kings ownership valuing Rondo highly because he could be a leader/mentor for Cousins, who's playing like a #1 numbers-wise but still might need a veteran leader around to help him mature mentally.

If I'm not mistaken, SAC cannot trade their first rounder this year due to Cleveland owning theirs.

[Boris Badenov]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

I'm with you on the Kings. I think they have pressure to win now and have been burned in the draft recently. They might be willing to move a top 3-5 pick for Rondo, and maybe our pick. If they are really nuts they'd do it for a lesser player or players (Bradley, Green and/or Sully) and our pick.

Cleveland seems in similar desperate straits. I think they feel pressure to surround Irving with quality vets rather than more unproven potential busts. They could move their pick, I think.

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

I think a deal with Sac could happen after the draft lottery. If they are willing to give up a top 3 pick and Thomas for Rondo and the Atl/NJ pick, I think Ainge will have difficult time saying no.

Many will say that Sac is overpaying, but getting a definite all-star in his prime for a pick you hope is one day as successful as Rondo makes sense for a franchise that wants to win now.

That's the timing that makes sense to me too. I could see Kings ownership valuing Rondo highly because he could be a leader/mentor for Cousins, who's playing like a #1 numbers-wise but still might need a veteran leader around to help him mature mentally.

If I'm not mistaken, SAC cannot trade their first rounder this year due to Cleveland owning theirs.

It's top 12 protected (and going to Chicago) according to this:

http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

So, my understanding is that if they are in the top 12 this year, they could do the trade on draft day - drafting someone for the C's and then making the trade.

[BleedGreen1989]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

I'm with you on the Kings. I think they have pressure to win now and have been burned in the draft recently. They might be willing to move a top 3-5 pick for Rondo, and maybe our pick. If they are really nuts they'd do it for a lesser player or players (Bradley, Green and/or Sully) and our pick.

Cleveland seems in similar desperate straits. I think they feel pressure to surround Irving with quality vets rather than more unproven potential busts. They could move their pick, I think.

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

I think a deal with Sac could happen after the draft lottery. If they are willing to give up a top 3 pick and Thomas for Rondo and the Atl/NJ pick, I think Ainge will have difficult time saying no.

Many will say that Sac is overpaying, but getting a definite all-star in his prime for a pick you hope is one day as successful as Rondo makes sense for a franchise that wants to win now.

That's the timing that makes sense to me too. I could see Kings ownership valuing Rondo highly because he could be a leader/mentor for Cousins, who's playing like a #1 numbers-wise but still might need a veteran leader around to help him mature mentally.

If I'm not mistaken, SAC cannot trade their first rounder this year due to Cleveland owning theirs.

It's top 12 protected (and going to Chicago) according to this:

http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

So, my understanding is that if they are in the top 12 this year, they could do the trade on draft day - drafting someone for the C's and then making the trade.

I don't believe they can trade a first until the protection is conveyed.

Say they fall in the top-12 and keep their pick, then trade it to Boston. The year after they fall outside the top-12 and CHI gets the pick.

They would of traded back to back picks in that scenario which is not allowed via the Steiphen Rule.

[Boris Badenov]

Typically when I think of trade proposals, as a prerequisite I figure on both sides getting fair value. Many times though, the trades that actually happen catch everyone off guard because they're lopsided in a basketball sense even at the time of the trade. The impatience of the Nets in recent years and the Knicks dating back to when Dolan took over are well documented, and in the Knicks' case even acknowledged by David Stern. I'm hopeful that there are other fish out there.

With all that said, does anybody have a guess as to which owners/GM's would be desperate enough to drastically overpay for

Rondo
Green
Bass,Crawford,Bradley
Our pick should it not fall in thee top 2 or 3
take on Wallace's contract

I wonder about the Kings. They seem to be making moves to immediately improve without much consideration for draft position or salary. They could potentially make a terrible move that could benefit us.

What other desperate buyers might be out there?

I'm with you on the Kings. I think they have pressure to win now and have been burned in the draft recently. They might be willing to move a top 3-5 pick for Rondo, and maybe our pick. If they are really nuts they'd do it for a lesser player or players (Bradley, Green and/or Sully) and our pick.

Cleveland seems in similar desperate straits. I think they feel pressure to surround Irving with quality vets rather than more unproven potential busts. They could move their pick, I think.

I also agree more generally that understanding GM perspectives/smarts is even more important than looking at player "fit" in thinking about deals. This is why I think the Asik deal is a no-go for us - Morey is smart, and Danny is smart, and smart GMs are unlikely to make deals with each other because they each ask for too much.

I think a deal with Sac could happen after the draft lottery. If they are willing to give up a top 3 pick and Thomas for Rondo and the Atl/NJ pick, I think Ainge will have difficult time saying no.

Many will say that Sac is overpaying, but getting a definite all-star in his prime for a pick you hope is one day as successful as Rondo makes sense for a franchise that wants to win now.

That's the timing that makes sense to me too. I could see Kings ownership valuing Rondo highly because he could be a leader/mentor for Cousins, who's playing like a #1 numbers-wise but still might need a veteran leader around to help him mature mentally.

If I'm not mistaken, SAC cannot trade their first rounder this year due to Cleveland owning theirs.

It's top 12 protected (and going to Chicago) according to this:

http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

So, my understanding is that if they are in the top 12 this year, they could do the trade on draft day - drafting someone for the C's and then making the trade.

I don't believe they can trade a first until the protection is conveyed.

Say they fall in the top-12 and keep their pick, then trade it to Boston. The year after they fall outside the top-12 and CHI gets the pick.

They would of traded back to back picks in that scenario which is not allowed via the Steiphen Rule.

My understanding is that a deal could happen two ways. First, we could just send them back a pick (ours or the BKN/ATL pick). This would be fine. The Stepien rule just says a team must possess a pick every other year - not its own, necessarily. This is why BKN can trade its 14/16/18 picks and also trade swap rights to the 15/17 picks.

Second, if we didn't give them a pick, I'm also under the impression that if the deal technically took place after the pick was made (but even on draft day), the Kings could actually draft for the C's, then trade the player - not the pick - in a draft day trade. It would amount to the same thing from the teams' perspective, but as I understand things, SAC technically would not have traded the pick so the Stepien rule would not apply. I think this has actually happened before.

Maybe someone else can weigh in on this...

[BleedGreen1989]

^^^You are right. A pretty easy way around the rule is to trade the players rights.