Lorenzo Brown anyone??

[Smitty77]

Let me first tell everyone that I am an NC State fan and my older brother and my daughter got their Chemical Engineering degrees from there.

That being said, Lo has GREAT size for a PG.  He could develop into a nice running mate with the smaller sized Rondo and/or Bradley.  He put up very solid numbers last year for the Pack.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/lorenzo-brown-1.html

He averaged 7.2 assists and had better than a 2 to 1 assist/TO ratio.  He averaged 2 steals per game.  He was a decent defender who could become a very good defender.  He could certainly use some work on his outside shooting, but he is already a great slasher and a good shooter, albeit, very streaky.

Thoughts??

Smitty77

[Celtics4ever]

We have this guy for back up point.

http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/phil_pressey_710113.html


We have Rondo as a starter.

Here is an article on him:

When we last wrote about Lorenzo Brown, he was coming off of a sophomore season marked by significant improvement and a successful transition to the point guard position. Expectations were high for the former RSCI Top-50 high school recruit to lead a talent-rich North Carolina State team to the top of the ACC and a deep NCAA Tournament run.

The exact opposite happened, however, as the Wolfpack finished an unimpressive 11-7 in the ACC and lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament to Temple. Furthermore, Brown did not seem to improve as a junior at all, even appearing to regress in some key areas. Now, having declared for the NBA Draft, it remains to be seen whether Brown did enough during his college career to endear himself to NBA scouts.

Brown remains an excellent prospect from a physical standpoint, standing around 6'5 with a wiry 186-pound frame. Though he has excellent size for the NBA, he is just an average athlete, more smooth than dynamic. Though he possesses good quickness in the open floor and compensates somewhat with his agility and body control, he lacks the overall explosiveness scouts covet in point guard prospects.

In addition to his average athleticism, another area of concern when projecting him at the next level is his struggles on the offensive end of the floor. While it is worth noting that Brown has transformed into a pure point guard, he remains one of the least productive scorers among our top-100 prospects, averaging just 13.8 points per 40 minutes pace adjusted as a junior, nearly a point less per 40 minutes pace adjusted than during his sophomore season despite seeing an increased offensive role.

His shooting percentages also dropped noticeably, ranking him among the least efficient scorers both inside of and outside of the arc. He made just 27.6% of his overall jump shots and
attempted a very low number of three point field goals among point guard prospects in our database, while making just 26.3% of his attempts from beyond the arc.

While it is worth pointing out that Brown was a much more efficient and productive player at home, where he averaged 13.8 points per game on 48.1% FG and 31.4% 3FG, his performance on the road – 11.3 points per game on 37.9% FG and 25% 3FG – and on neutral courts – 10.8 points per game on 34.6% FG and 20% 3FG – tell a much different story.

On film, Brown shows inconsistent mechanics, from shooting with a split stance and leaning into his shot to falling away from the basket. Yet, occasionally and usually with both space and when he has the chance to shoot in rhythm, his mechanics look solid, and Synergy Sports Technology reveals that he makes 39.1% of his catch-and-shoot jumpers with his feet set, albeit on a very small number (23) of attempts. He struggles to a far greater degree while guarded (13%), off the dribble (29.2%), and as mentioned, from beyond the arc (26.3%)

Brown is a crafty scorer off of the dribble, however, where he shows the ability to take the ball to the basket due to his excellent handles, above average first step, and smooth athleticism. He is a creative finisher around the basket, but his lack of strength and explosiveness do him few favors when attempting to finish over against bigger and more athletic post defenders. That being said, he displays a knack for creating his own shot – on the perimeter, from mid-range, and around the basket - and has improved significantly in getting open looks from his sophomore to his junior season.

While his ability to create his own shot and his versatility as a scorer are both intriguing from an NBA standpoint, his inability to make shots outside of the lane is very concerning. So, too, is the fact that he doesn't compensate by getting to the line that often, attempting just 4.7 free throws per 40 minutes pace adjusted. While he took a small step forward as a sophomore in addressing his reputation for lacking toughness, he did very little to continue to make strides in that department as a junior.

For as bad as his junior season went from an offensive standpoint, Brown took another step forward in his development as a playmaker, averaging the second most assists , a top-10 assist to turnover ratio, and the third best Pure Point Rating among the top-100 prospects in our database.

His combination of quickness, excellent ball handling abilities and passing instincts have clearly helped him develop in this area and, though his scoring leaves much to be desired, he really has transformed into one of the NCAA's top distributors. He shows excellent poise, controlling a game's tempo with his ability to push the ball in transition and create looks for his teammates by passing off the dribble. His ability to feed the post is also impressive and, while he struggles as a scorer and finisher out of the pick-and-roll, he remains a very solid distributor. He once again ranked among the most turnover prone guards in our database, something he must improve upon at the next level, but he is nevertheless one of the best distributors in this draft.

Brown seemed to put more effort in on the defensive end as a junior, but once again showed some head-scratching inconsistency. While he has solid size, lateral quickness and active hands and feet, he rarely stayed engaged after he was beaten on the defensive end, not fighting through screens or recovering nearly as well as a player with his size and length should. He looks solid statistically, particularly because he grabs a lot of steals, but he has a lot of work to do before he can be considered ready to guard NBA point guards.

Overall, Lorenzo Brown has the size and distributing ability that scouts covet in point guard prospects, but with some significant holes in his game. Furthermore, he is already 22-years-old, and will be a 23-year-old rookie, which puts his ability to make stark improvement into question. It is almost needless to say that he has quite a bit to prove to scouts in private workout settings, as his junior year added to the list of questions pertaining to his NBA prospects, rather than answering them. Regardless, he has a very good chance of hearing his name called on draft night – even potentially late in the first round –but he must have a strong showing on and off the court during the pre-draft process to ease some of the concerns teams have about him at the next level.
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Kyle Nelson

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lorenzo-Brown-5789/

I think we should avoid him.

[Smitty77]

We have this guy for back up point.

http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/phil_pressey_710113.html


We have Rondo as a starter.

Here is an article on him:

When we last wrote about Lorenzo Brown, he was coming off of a sophomore season marked by significant improvement and a successful transition to the point guard position. Expectations were high for the former RSCI Top-50 high school recruit to lead a talent-rich North Carolina State team to the top of the ACC and a deep NCAA Tournament run.

The exact opposite happened, however, as the Wolfpack finished an unimpressive 11-7 in the ACC and lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament to Temple. Furthermore, Brown did not seem to improve as a junior at all, even appearing to regress in some key areas. Now, having declared for the NBA Draft, it remains to be seen whether Brown did enough during his college career to endear himself to NBA scouts.

Brown remains an excellent prospect from a physical standpoint, standing around 6'5 with a wiry 186-pound frame. Though he has excellent size for the NBA, he is just an average athlete, more smooth than dynamic. Though he possesses good quickness in the open floor and compensates somewhat with his agility and body control, he lacks the overall explosiveness scouts covet in point guard prospects.

In addition to his average athleticism, another area of concern when projecting him at the next level is his struggles on the offensive end of the floor. While it is worth noting that Brown has transformed into a pure point guard, he remains one of the least productive scorers among our top-100 prospects, averaging just 13.8 points per 40 minutes pace adjusted as a junior, nearly a point less per 40 minutes pace adjusted than during his sophomore season despite seeing an increased offensive role.

His shooting percentages also dropped noticeably, ranking him among the least efficient scorers both inside of and outside of the arc. He made just 27.6% of his overall jump shots and
attempted a very low number of three point field goals among point guard prospects in our database, while making just 26.3% of his attempts from beyond the arc.

While it is worth pointing out that Brown was a much more efficient and productive player at home, where he averaged 13.8 points per game on 48.1% FG and 31.4% 3FG, his performance on the road – 11.3 points per game on 37.9% FG and 25% 3FG – and on neutral courts – 10.8 points per game on 34.6% FG and 20% 3FG – tell a much different story.

On film, Brown shows inconsistent mechanics, from shooting with a split stance and leaning into his shot to falling away from the basket. Yet, occasionally and usually with both space and when he has the chance to shoot in rhythm, his mechanics look solid, and Synergy Sports Technology reveals that he makes 39.1% of his catch-and-shoot jumpers with his feet set, albeit on a very small number (23) of attempts. He struggles to a far greater degree while guarded (13%), off the dribble (29.2%), and as mentioned, from beyond the arc (26.3%)

Brown is a crafty scorer off of the dribble, however, where he shows the ability to take the ball to the basket due to his excellent handles, above average first step, and smooth athleticism. He is a creative finisher around the basket, but his lack of strength and explosiveness do him few favors when attempting to finish over against bigger and more athletic post defenders. That being said, he displays a knack for creating his own shot – on the perimeter, from mid-range, and around the basket - and has improved significantly in getting open looks from his sophomore to his junior season.

While his ability to create his own shot and his versatility as a scorer are both intriguing from an NBA standpoint, his inability to make shots outside of the lane is very concerning. So, too, is the fact that he doesn't compensate by getting to the line that often, attempting just 4.7 free throws per 40 minutes pace adjusted. While he took a small step forward as a sophomore in addressing his reputation for lacking toughness, he did very little to continue to make strides in that department as a junior.

For as bad as his junior season went from an offensive standpoint, Brown took another step forward in his development as a playmaker, averaging the second most assists , a top-10 assist to turnover ratio, and the third best Pure Point Rating among the top-100 prospects in our database.

His combination of quickness, excellent ball handling abilities and passing instincts have clearly helped him develop in this area and, though his scoring leaves much to be desired, he really has transformed into one of the NCAA's top distributors. He shows excellent poise, controlling a game's tempo with his ability to push the ball in transition and create looks for his teammates by passing off the dribble. His ability to feed the post is also impressive and, while he struggles as a scorer and finisher out of the pick-and-roll, he remains a very solid distributor. He once again ranked among the most turnover prone guards in our database, something he must improve upon at the next level, but he is nevertheless one of the best distributors in this draft.

Brown seemed to put more effort in on the defensive end as a junior, but once again showed some head-scratching inconsistency. While he has solid size, lateral quickness and active hands and feet, he rarely stayed engaged after he was beaten on the defensive end, not fighting through screens or recovering nearly as well as a player with his size and length should. He looks solid statistically, particularly because he grabs a lot of steals, but he has a lot of work to do before he can be considered ready to guard NBA point guards.

Overall, Lorenzo Brown has the size and distributing ability that scouts covet in point guard prospects, but with some significant holes in his game. Furthermore, he is already 22-years-old, and will be a 23-year-old rookie, which puts his ability to make stark improvement into question. It is almost needless to say that he has quite a bit to prove to scouts in private workout settings, as his junior year added to the list of questions pertaining to his NBA prospects, rather than answering them. Regardless, he has a very good chance of hearing his name called on draft night – even potentially late in the first round –but he must have a strong showing on and off the court during the pre-draft process to ease some of the concerns teams have about him at the next level.
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Kyle Nelson

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lorenzo-Brown-5789/

I think we should avoid him.

Yes, all he did was lead on the best basketball conferences in assists by 2 assists and tied for first in steals.  Yes, he is terrible.  My point is that he would be a good Delonte West type of player is he works on his outside shot.  He has size UNLIKE Pressey, who I like.  Prez is a pure PG and Lo is simply a guard that can pass and defend.  We can use BOTH of them, especially since Lo can develop in a backup SG as well.  And is was NOT mainly Lo's fault that NCSU was one of the biggest disappointments in the country.  I think that Gottfried deserves a LOT of blame as well as CJ Leslie, who, if he EVER gets motivated, could be really good at this level.  He probably won't, since he seems to lack intrinsic motivation, but he has some amazing athletic ability and he almost made the Knicks.

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

We have this guy for back up point.

http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/phil_pressey_710113.html


We have Rondo as a starter.

Here is an article on him:

When we last wrote about Lorenzo Brown, he was coming off of a sophomore season marked by significant improvement and a successful transition to the point guard position. Expectations were high for the former RSCI Top-50 high school recruit to lead a talent-rich North Carolina State team to the top of the ACC and a deep NCAA Tournament run.

The exact opposite happened, however, as the Wolfpack finished an unimpressive 11-7 in the ACC and lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament to Temple. Furthermore, Brown did not seem to improve as a junior at all, even appearing to regress in some key areas. Now, having declared for the NBA Draft, it remains to be seen whether Brown did enough during his college career to endear himself to NBA scouts.

Brown remains an excellent prospect from a physical standpoint, standing around 6'5 with a wiry 186-pound frame. Though he has excellent size for the NBA, he is just an average athlete, more smooth than dynamic. Though he possesses good quickness in the open floor and compensates somewhat with his agility and body control, he lacks the overall explosiveness scouts covet in point guard prospects.

In addition to his average athleticism, another area of concern when projecting him at the next level is his struggles on the offensive end of the floor. While it is worth noting that Brown has transformed into a pure point guard, he remains one of the least productive scorers among our top-100 prospects, averaging just 13.8 points per 40 minutes pace adjusted as a junior, nearly a point less per 40 minutes pace adjusted than during his sophomore season despite seeing an increased offensive role.

His shooting percentages also dropped noticeably, ranking him among the least efficient scorers both inside of and outside of the arc. He made just 27.6% of his overall jump shots and
attempted a very low number of three point field goals among point guard prospects in our database, while making just 26.3% of his attempts from beyond the arc.

While it is worth pointing out that Brown was a much more efficient and productive player at home, where he averaged 13.8 points per game on 48.1% FG and 31.4% 3FG, his performance on the road – 11.3 points per game on 37.9% FG and 25% 3FG – and on neutral courts – 10.8 points per game on 34.6% FG and 20% 3FG – tell a much different story.

On film, Brown shows inconsistent mechanics, from shooting with a split stance and leaning into his shot to falling away from the basket. Yet, occasionally and usually with both space and when he has the chance to shoot in rhythm, his mechanics look solid, and Synergy Sports Technology reveals that he makes 39.1% of his catch-and-shoot jumpers with his feet set, albeit on a very small number (23) of attempts. He struggles to a far greater degree while guarded (13%), off the dribble (29.2%), and as mentioned, from beyond the arc (26.3%)

Brown is a crafty scorer off of the dribble, however, where he shows the ability to take the ball to the basket due to his excellent handles, above average first step, and smooth athleticism. He is a creative finisher around the basket, but his lack of strength and explosiveness do him few favors when attempting to finish over against bigger and more athletic post defenders. That being said, he displays a knack for creating his own shot – on the perimeter, from mid-range, and around the basket - and has improved significantly in getting open looks from his sophomore to his junior season.

While his ability to create his own shot and his versatility as a scorer are both intriguing from an NBA standpoint, his inability to make shots outside of the lane is very concerning. So, too, is the fact that he doesn't compensate by getting to the line that often, attempting just 4.7 free throws per 40 minutes pace adjusted. While he took a small step forward as a sophomore in addressing his reputation for lacking toughness, he did very little to continue to make strides in that department as a junior.

For as bad as his junior season went from an offensive standpoint, Brown took another step forward in his development as a playmaker, averaging the second most assists , a top-10 assist to turnover ratio, and the third best Pure Point Rating among the top-100 prospects in our database.

His combination of quickness, excellent ball handling abilities and passing instincts have clearly helped him develop in this area and, though his scoring leaves much to be desired, he really has transformed into one of the NCAA's top distributors. He shows excellent poise, controlling a game's tempo with his ability to push the ball in transition and create looks for his teammates by passing off the dribble. His ability to feed the post is also impressive and, while he struggles as a scorer and finisher out of the pick-and-roll, he remains a very solid distributor. He once again ranked among the most turnover prone guards in our database, something he must improve upon at the next level, but he is nevertheless one of the best distributors in this draft.

Brown seemed to put more effort in on the defensive end as a junior, but once again showed some head-scratching inconsistency. While he has solid size, lateral quickness and active hands and feet, he rarely stayed engaged after he was beaten on the defensive end, not fighting through screens or recovering nearly as well as a player with his size and length should. He looks solid statistically, particularly because he grabs a lot of steals, but he has a lot of work to do before he can be considered ready to guard NBA point guards.

Overall, Lorenzo Brown has the size and distributing ability that scouts covet in point guard prospects, but with some significant holes in his game. Furthermore, he is already 22-years-old, and will be a 23-year-old rookie, which puts his ability to make stark improvement into question. It is almost needless to say that he has quite a bit to prove to scouts in private workout settings, as his junior year added to the list of questions pertaining to his NBA prospects, rather than answering them. Regardless, he has a very good chance of hearing his name called on draft night – even potentially late in the first round –but he must have a strong showing on and off the court during the pre-draft process to ease some of the concerns teams have about him at the next level.
[Read Full Article]
 

Kyle Nelson

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lorenzo-Brown-5789/

I think we should avoid him.

As I said, I am a State fan and I therefore saw quite a few of their games.  I NEVER remember Lo having trouble finishing off drives.  Much of the article is accurate, but that is not.  Lo was so fast, he usually was in front of the defenders and therefore didn't have to muscle through them.

Smitty77

[Celtics4ever]

He has intriguing size, I will give you that.  I think we have a logjam with Lee, Bradley, Bogans, Brooks, Wallace and Green of guys in the 6-5 to 6-7 range that can play SG or SF.  I doubt he would stick.

[Smitty77]

He has intriguing size, I will give you that.  I think we have a logjam with Lee, Bradley, Bogans, Brooks, Wallace and Green of guys in the 6-5 to 6-7 range that can play SG or SF.  I doubt he would stick.

The HUGE difference is that he is a natural PG.  NONE of the others you mentioned are PG's.  NOT even close to point guards!!  He could be Delonte West lite without the mental health issues.

Smitty77