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It may sound weird, but those Nets vets will help us quite a bit.

If Jeff Green is going to develop into a legit scoring guy, he's going to to go against a legit player in practice.  I think Wallace can give Green a good run in practice, and that will make Green a much better player.

One year of Hump isn't bad, since he should be ready to actually play on Day 1.  He'll help Sully get sharp on the practice floor, too.  I'd love to watch those two go at it.

Bogans, throw-in, is ready to take Lee's spot in a minute, and might do it anyway.  Unheralded veteran in a relatively weak guard corps.  Again, he sets the standard for anyone wanting to earn minutes at SG, IMO.  He's a great alternative to Lee.

These three players will definitely make our team better in several ways.

1)  All ready to go on Day 1 (Sully and KO may not be).

2)  Challenge our young players to grow into their abilities.

3)  Set a standard for playing time, since Bogans and Kardashian are pretty steady and solid NBA role players, and there are a lot of young guys at their positions.

4) If Bogans, Wallace, and Hump are being legitimately beat out for playing time by the ASB, we'll know that we might be on to something with some of our guys.

THAT would be the time to either cash in the expiring contract chips, or let them expire ourselves.

But, as with all big deals, it takes a while for the full impact to be assessed.

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It may sound weird, but those Nets vets will help us quite a bit.

If Jeff Green is going to develop into a legit scoring guy, he's going to to go against a legit player in practice.  I think Wallace can give Green a good run in practice, and that will make Green a much better player.

One year of Hump isn't bad, since he should be ready to actually play on Day 1.  He'll help Sully get sharp on the practice floor, too.  I'd love to watch those two go at it.

Bogans, throw-in, is ready to take Lee's spot in a minute, and might do it anyway.  Unheralded veteran in a relatively weak guard corps.  Again, he sets the standard for anyone wanting to earn minutes at SG, IMO.  He's a great alternative to Lee.

These three players will definitely make our team better in several ways.

1)  All ready to go on Day 1 (Sully and KO may not be).

2)  Challenge our young players to grow into their abilities.

3)  Set a standard for playing time, since Bogans and Kardashian are pretty steady and solid NBA role players, and there are a lot of young guys at their positions.

4) If Bogans, Wallace, and Hump are being legitimately beat out for playing time by the ASB, we'll know that we might be on to something with some of our guys.

THAT would be the time to either cash in the expiring contract chips, or let them expire ourselves.

But, as with all big deals, it takes a while for the full impact to be assessed.

Well put! TP

I agree whole-heartedly. Wallace is a great player and will be a good mentor for Jeff Green and perhaps even Donte Greene. Humph will make things interesting down low for sure and will push Sully and Olynyk in terms of conditioning and getting their shots off given his defensive chops. Bogans I know less about; but at very least sounds like a good locker room presence for the young guard crop.

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It may sound weird, but those Nets vets will help us quite a bit.

If Jeff Green is going to develop into a legit scoring guy, he's going to to go against a legit player in practice.  I think Wallace can give Green a good run in practice, and that will make Green a much better player.

One year of Hump isn't bad, since he should be ready to actually play on Day 1.  He'll help Sully get sharp on the practice floor, too.  I'd love to watch those two go at it.

Bogans, throw-in, is ready to take Lee's spot in a minute, and might do it anyway.  Unheralded veteran in a relatively weak guard corps.  Again, he sets the standard for anyone wanting to earn minutes at SG, IMO.  He's a great alternative to Lee.

These three players will definitely make our team better in several ways.

1)  All ready to go on Day 1 (Sully and KO may not be).

2)  Challenge our young players to grow into their abilities.

3)  Set a standard for playing time, since Bogans and Kardashian are pretty steady and solid NBA role players, and there are a lot of young guys at their positions.

4) If Bogans, Wallace, and Hump are being legitimately beat out for playing time by the ASB, we'll know that we might be on to something with some of our guys.

THAT would be the time to either cash in the expiring contract chips, or let them expire ourselves.

But, as with all big deals, it takes a while for the full impact to be assessed.

actually that is a very good point. I never actually thought of it that way. Wallace while not effective on the offensive end for the nets, his defense was very good for them. I agree 100% that in practice, Wallace will make him work and in return make Jeff a better player

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It may sound weird, but those Nets vets will help us quite a bit.

If Jeff Green is going to develop into a legit scoring guy, he's going to to go against a legit player in practice.  I think Wallace can give Green a good run in practice, and that will make Green a much better player.

One year of Hump isn't bad, since he should be ready to actually play on Day 1.  He'll help Sully get sharp on the practice floor, too.  I'd love to watch those two go at it.

Bogans, throw-in, is ready to take Lee's spot in a minute, and might do it anyway.  Unheralded veteran in a relatively weak guard corps.  Again, he sets the standard for anyone wanting to earn minutes at SG, IMO.  He's a great alternative to Lee.

These three players will definitely make our team better in several ways.

1)  All ready to go on Day 1 (Sully and KO may not be).

2)  Challenge our young players to grow into their abilities.

3)  Set a standard for playing time, since Bogans and Kardashian are pretty steady and solid NBA role players, and there are a lot of young guys at their positions.

4) If Bogans, Wallace, and Hump are being legitimately beat out for playing time by the ASB, we'll know that we might be on to something with some of our guys.

THAT would be the time to either cash in the expiring contract chips, or let them expire ourselves.

But, as with all big deals, it takes a while for the full impact to be assessed.

Good points.

I do agree that Wallace, Hump and Bogans are all being overlooked by a lot of folks for their raw player value.   These guys are not HoF-bound like Pierce & KG, but they are very good veteran players and regardless of any future trades, they add a lot of depth to the squad.

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The Nets are screwed if they're looking to add any talent until the summer of 2016. Then maybe they can trade JJ's contract for for multiple players some other team doesn't want. It wouldn't make much sense. It makes more sense that they hold onto Johnson and then hit the reset button that summer. My point is that they should be bad at least 1 year in that time, making this trade easier to swallow.

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The mention of Blatche in the Nets future does nothing but make me feel more optimistic about the draft picks the Celtics will get from the Nets.

Why? Blatche as a starter per 36 averaged 19ppg, 9 rebounds, 1.2 assists on 50% shooting. Next to Lopez, he averaged the best defensive numbers of his career. He's pretty good now that he's in the right situation.

Assuming he does get re-signed, he should be very solid long term as a PF in place of Garnett for a season or two.

Without Pierce/KG the Nets at best should look like in Year 3:

Williams/Livingston?/Taylor
Johnson/Terry
Kirilenko?/Bogdanovic
Blatche/Teletovic/Evans
Lopez/Plumlee

Not sure how well that does in the East where Chicago/Indiana would probably be battling for the #1 seed or possibly Cleveland again. But that's a slightly lesser version of last year's team.

Then, almost everyone comes off the books by 2016. So, It's a complete unknown what happens then, so I would probably say the potential of multiple high lotto picks going to Boston will happen around that peroid.

  Much like any team, if they somehow manage to acquire superstars they'll be fine, if they don't then things become bleak in a hurry. I wonder how different this plan sounds than the one the Nets had when LeBron/Wade/Bosh et al were free agents.

Well, as long as Williams/Lopez are healthy and preforming well, ownership will commit to putting talent around them. The difference is, Brooklyn is an attractive market obviously and there is already a star player here.

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The mention of Blatche in the Nets future does nothing but make me feel more optimistic about the draft picks the Celtics will get from the Nets.

Why? Blatche as a starter per 36 averaged 19ppg, 9 rebounds, 1.2 assists on 50% shooting. Next to Lopez, he averaged the best defensive numbers of his career. He's pretty good now that he's in the right situation.

Assuming he does get re-signed, he should be very solid long term as a PF in place of Garnett for a season or two.

Without Pierce/KG the Nets at best should look like in Year 3:

Williams/Livingston?/Taylor
Johnson/Terry
Kirilenko?/Bogdanovic
Blatche/Teletovic/Evans
Lopez/Plumlee

Not sure how well that does in the East where Chicago/Indiana would probably be battling for the #1 seed or possibly Cleveland again. But that's a slightly lesser version of last year's team.

Then, almost everyone comes off the books by 2016. So, It's a complete unknown what happens then, so I would probably say the potential of multiple high lotto picks going to Boston will happen around that peroid.

  Much like any team, if they somehow manage to acquire superstars they'll be fine, if they don't then things become bleak in a hurry. I wonder how different this plan sounds than the one the Nets had when LeBron/Wade/Bosh et al were free agents.

Well, as long as Williams/Lopez are healthy and preforming well, ownership will commit to putting talent around them. The difference is, Brooklyn is an attractive market obviously and there is already a star player here.

Terry's contract expires the prior year along with KG's.

Lopez will be due for a Player Option in 2015-2016, but don't be surprised if he declines in favor of free agency.   The Nets might be able to convince him to take an extension, but with the current CBA rules, he's more likely to make a ton more money by getting to free agency in the summer of 2015.  At that point, the Nets will have to decide to either let him walk or sign him with their Bird rights - or sign & trade him.

I expect the latter is the most likely option.  If they let him walk, they will have only around 10 or 12M of total cap room with which to build their entire team - around 10 players being needed to add with that small sum.    If they S&T him, they can get something (young players, picks) for him, stay over the cap and use exceptions and minimum contracts to fill out the roster.

EDIT:  Additionally, keep in mind that both AK and Blatche have Player Options for 2014-15.   Don't expect to necessarily be keeping them on past this year (2013-2014) at their current cheap contracts, especially if either has a good season this year.   In one sense, this is a 'good gamble' by Billy - both of these players will be in 'contract years' this coming season, which is what you want to support this year's go-for-it title run.  But it doesn't work well for the longer term.

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when youre as good as the nets, you can take the brunt of losing kg or pierce in 2 years because the cap space can be used for free agents for continued contender status. draft picks dont mean anything to them.

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right now I feel like vomiting......seeing KG and Pieced replaced with the likes of trash like Wallace and kardashian boy .....

I hope it will turn out better than I think

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when youre as good as the nets, you can take the brunt of losing kg or pierce in 2 years because the cap space can be used for free agents for continued contender status. draft picks dont mean anything to them.

Uhh?  How does that work?

Shedding KG & Pierce's contracts doesn't get them under the salary cap.  Unless they do some other major trade to unload all or part of the contracts of JJ, DW and/or Lopez, the will only be able to sign free agents with vet minimum contracts and the mid level exception.